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oh it's going down now man

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it's going down now we're live

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we are live welcome welcome welcome to

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the first

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episode of the rebranded calling all

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i'm dj i'm your host dj san marco good

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evening everybody and i am joined by my

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amazing co-host he's the baddest of the

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bad he's george's own

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money nate await away soul how's it

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going nathan good dj how are you

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dude i'm doing good man i'm like so

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excited man it's it's a whole new era in

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the show we're on youtube we're going to

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be on podcasts we're going to do for

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we're going to bring you great guests

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and you know what

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we're starting it off tonight

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with the lovely the talented

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and the hypnotic

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little play on words here party people

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put your hands together

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for carlene lynx weiler

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this is exciting

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yes

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we're gonna get down we're gonna talk

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about some hypno hypnotic regression

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and then we're gonna get into the

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biggest story in the phenomenon nathan

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what is it

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is anjali is that what you're talking

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about can i get it amen

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can i get an amen

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what's up homegirl and today

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surreptitiously behind nathan's back i

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story did nice nice job

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so she read and that was a good dr evil

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right oh perfect that was really good

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that was solid i want to say this like

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first of all carly i just want to say

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the camera adds like 20 pounds i'm

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really a lot better looking than this in

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person

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anyway

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she's like i'll take your word for it

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okay he's like i'm having an easier time

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believing anjali story but anyway so uh

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i had i sent her the interview i don't

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know how many did you listen to carlene

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so i listened to the majority of that

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very long first one and that was and

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that's the one we were chatting about

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and then i dug and then like i went down

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a little bit of a rabbit hole and then i

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pulled myself out of the rabbit hole but

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i was watching i jumped through those

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other youtubes uh interviews with her

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and then i just started doing my own

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investigation on who she was

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just to see like her credibility and

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where she was coming from because this

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was a brand new story for me

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yeah i mean um and so we'll get into

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that but first we have the topic at hand

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back to the lecture at hand

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carlene

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as as is usually the case

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when we want someone to ask a really

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intelligent question obviously it's

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it's it's nathan so um

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i'm pointing over towards him nathan is

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gonna kick this off with the first

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question my brother

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thank you dj carlene great to have you

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on the show really looking forward to

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talking with you and

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can't say enough about how grateful we

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are to have you on as our first guest uh

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so super excited about that i was

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wondering if you could set the stage for

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us a little bit and introduce our

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audience to

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a little bit about your background

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a little bit about uh your journey

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because i've read i read about you read

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a little bit about your story and it's

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really fascinating and i think people

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would love to hear it and then i also

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want you to talk about what you're

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working on now what kind of interests

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you what really gets you motivated uh as

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your journey continues into the future

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okay so any are you talking about

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hypnotic journey are you talking about

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spiritual journey i mean i want to hear

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it all but let's uh i would think one

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sure so so spiritually i mean

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um ever since and it's funny because i

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this actually had come up and i had

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forgotten about these memories from my

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childhood but i had a lot of um

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paranormal stuff happening throughout my

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experiences but i just kind of all

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chalked it up to imagination because i

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do have i think i have a pretty um

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good imagination pretty creative and so

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i really got i kind of like pulled away

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materialistic world until about my

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mid-20s and then i started to see auras

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um i had gone through something that was

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i considered traumatizing a close person

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to me had almost died

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and i think what happened was i was i

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started to focus a lot on heart energy

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and heart energy when you focus on this

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work

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and they do this in qigong this opens

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actually helps you expand so i talk a

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lot about third eye expansion because

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that can happen when you open up your

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third eye i mean when you open up your

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your third eye will open

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um so i started seeing auras and then

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that obviously led me down to reading a

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lot of books i started reading

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voraciously about the topics of

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spirituality i got i got to be a

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certified yoga teacher um at the time

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shout out to yoga teachers

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in the house yeah what's up man

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at the time i was a high school teacher

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i was a full-time high school teacher in

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my 20s and uh over in new hampshire and

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i was teaching the social studies so

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social sciences mainly had majored in

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political science and history so

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moving forward

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i wanted to get the heck out of the

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mainstream world the this like it's i

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just needed to get out of um having a

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full-time job i wanted to work for

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myself i wanted to have a more

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what i thought was a more in-depth

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living so

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in an in-depth way of living on my own

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so i had opened a studio a yoga studio

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where we did ariel as well and that's

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that was very successful i saw it was i

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had it for seven years i sold it last

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um had sold it off and i

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my spiritual path during the kova

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lockdown i started to get into hypnosis

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um a little bit before it i discovered

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dolores cannon and yes

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do you guys know who dolores cannon is

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how about how about this you're the

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second person on the show that's a

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disciple of dolores cannon yeah the

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other one was was uh debbie

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regression and she was a kundalini yoga

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teacher she teaches at one of the places

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i sub at yeah so there you go there you

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go so um dolores cannon is someone to

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know if you're listening to this podcast

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if you're into ufology she worked

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closely with mufon m-u-f-o-n um in the

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80s she is known for her work with mufon

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as well and if i'm pronouncing that

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incorrectly please correct me no that's

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yeah um and she and she wrote a lot of

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books on her clients that had had

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hypnotic regressions um i'm from new

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hampshire betty barney hill is a story

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that everyone knows um or most people

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know if you don't i mean it's not a hard

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story to look up into um so anyways it

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was using hypnosis to

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know what's coming to my head right now

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this movie um is it

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it's alaska was it

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the third kind what was that movie

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close encounters close encounters yeah

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yeah it was somewhere out west like utah

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or i don't know where was it i think it

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was alaska was it not alaska no i don't

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think so yeah one in alaska though guys

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there is one devil's peak or something

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i've heard okay so there might be two

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different movies and i i'll come back

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and it won't i'll confront on this um

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but anyway so using hypnotic regression

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to access these memories so um i was

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reading her books i was getting all up

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on what she was doing and i was like

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this is the work i want to do i want to

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do regression work um we have a mutual

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friend natasha she's been on this show

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yes i love natasha she and i are all

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about we've i've done a lot of

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paranormal investigations with her just

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subject of mine uh many times and

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um as a friend you know and so

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the last year and so wow that's a lot in

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a year it is in a year it is and so and

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i'm constantly progressing and

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working and i've been um talking to more

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and more people involved in in ufo

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research and disclosure and whether or

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not i want to be involved in this

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subject the subject wants to be involved

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sounds familiar

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it sounds like anjali my home girl

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all right well i think i think all of us

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that get into this

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find our way we're almost pulled into it

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uh and sometimes kicking and screaming

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but there's a there's a lure

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of this topic that that brings you in

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and doesn't let you go

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i want to talk about mine but you guys

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let's focus on carlene um so you said

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though growing up and i'm assuming that

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that lit the fire that then kind of like

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that fire was doused and then it

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kind of sparked up again yeah i think

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life kind of happened and i became a

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teenager and i just got away from that

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kind of stuff you know what i mean but i

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things that would bump in the night wake

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visitors at night um sometimes they

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would come in the form of my dad which

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was really like they they wouldn't they

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would be transparent they would try to i

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think mask themselves to look like

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somebody i was familiar with i was six

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and they never touched me or anything

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like that they just would try to

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communicate i think

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not that i know of okay you know my mom

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has however my mother who's very quiet

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about this kind of stuff every once in a

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while she'll say like

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when she was a kid she remembered um

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waking up and there'd be a woman

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standing at the edge of her bed and then

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she had um

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she had a couple

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uh visitations back in 92 or 93 and i do

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remember being seven years old or eight

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years old when that happened

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so it does run in the family

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i guess so but i've never actually i

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haven't seen a ufo um until

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this is this is how it all happened so

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if i can full disclosure here

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i was talking to natasha a week ago and

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i said hey i think i saw a ufo and

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that's how she i got she connected me to

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you guys because she was like i think

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it's starting to happen or i don't know

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if i'm i'm calling in this uh experience

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or what

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wow yeah incredible yeah and i've heard

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out my notepad to take i'm just kidding

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i'm not going to

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ahead well i i've heard that uh it can

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run in the family these types of

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experiences and in particular through

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the the female line in the family that

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um it can be stronger so just

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interesting there you go

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maybe it is it's innocent is there more

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have you heard more narratives from

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female persons than male persons nathan

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is that

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well when it comes to this type of

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experience i

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and i'm i'm not an expert at this at all

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but the ones that i have come across the

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little that i know of it does seem to be

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more prevalent

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uh with women than than men now there

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could just be a

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maybe a conversational bias maybe more

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women are likely to talk about talking

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about it i think so than men so yeah

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hard to say

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so the the entity that visited you

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carlene you think that that's more in

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the natasha realm

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than the ufo realm well

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that's what i believe up to this point

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um i haven't had i don't believe i've

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had any experience to

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say otherwise

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if it was and then there's a whole

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discussion about and i don't know if you

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guys can educate me on this one but um

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there's people who believe that a lot of

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aliens are interdimensional beings

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and then there's other people like i

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actually got an email the other day

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where someone was very upset not at me

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they were upset at the different

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regressionists they worked with

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and he was kind of coming to me for an

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answer and i'm a big believer at the end

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i am do not listen to anything anyone

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says the truth is within you like your

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truth your reality so i don't like to i

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don't love when people come at me with

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please answer this for me

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i don't know i don't know it's your

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experience but the person um was upset

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because they were trying to understand

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are aliens interdimensional beings or

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are they physical

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beings and they were having a hard time

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bridging that idea and i was and i and

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i'm thinking well why not why can't it

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be both why can't there be some that are

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interdimensional

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um and that some are actual physical

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we actually have good some good reasons

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why we believe that and i think nathan

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can expound on that real quickly

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well yeah so they're um

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i mean the whole host of phenomena that

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have been reported that nothing fits

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neatly into one box right and so

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um because of that you have folks that

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are focusing on these sort of different

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aspects these different rays of the same

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sun perhaps but you know the way that it

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manifests itself in in our time and our

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space and our world

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and

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what's interesting about it all is that

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as you said it could be all of the above

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and and you'll find that some people

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become very passionate about you know

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it's oh it's you know it is e.t they're

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from other planets from other galaxies

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they're here

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in their physical craft that's exactly

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what this is then you'll say here other

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people say no you know it's

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interdimensional people they

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they're not from another galaxy not from

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another world they basically co-exist

389
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on a layer of reality that

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that we occupy we just can't interface

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with them very well all the time yeah

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exactly when they want to lead over but

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there isn't much bleed over very often

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so

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just tell about aguadilla real quick

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like you have a trans medium vehicle

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that is not that's going in the water

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exactly so you have and this you know

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that that example as well as tic deck

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which we started talking about the

401
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beginning these are things that have

402
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been picked up by physical

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uh sensors and so you know infrared

404
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other types of sensor technologies have

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seen these craft and that that adds some

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uh credence to the notion that these are

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nuts and bolts things purely nuts and

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bolts phenomena yes they can do

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phenomenal things but they're just

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physical things uh but then you have

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lots of stories where

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whatever appears to

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the experiencer can as you mentioned

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earlier kind of uh change its appearance

415
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based on the person that is having the

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experience maybe make it so that they

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can be something that person would be

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more comfortable with

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and not make them uncomfortable and that

420
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i watched um something today

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uh one of the

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women she was a girl at the time but

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she's a woman now who was

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a part of the aerial school incident in

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zimbabwe i don't know if you're familiar

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with that but it's a very well-known

427
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case a huge case in ufology

428
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where all these school kids were playing

429
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and yeah i have heard this yeah and so

430
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they were out in the basically the play

431
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yard of the school in zimbabwe and a

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craft

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uh appeared and

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beings uh communicated with some of

435
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these people in the craft yeah exited

436
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and communicated telepathically with

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these kids and and she essentially said

438
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that they didn't speak they uh

439
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projected uh sort of thousands of images

440
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yeah telepathically in in in front of

441
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her

442
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uh to make a communication and that they

443
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also kind of she she felt that the way

444
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that they appeared wasn't necessarily

445
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what they really looked like so that was

446
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interesting they had hair didn't they

447
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well

448
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the children they did and but in in her

449
00:16:51,910 --> 00:16:49,519
drawing they didn't so they didn't

450
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where different people seem to have a

451
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slightly modified experience of what it

452
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is that they're observing

453
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right and and i want to just say one

454
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more thing about and i will send you

455
00:17:04,150 --> 00:17:02,000
after uh the show i'll send you the

456
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aguadia video so you can watch it and

457
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it's basically a customs and border

458
00:17:11,189 --> 00:17:09,280
patrol aircraft sensor that they it's

459
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same sensor that i flew with when i was

460
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active duty and they filmed this thing

461
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so i know like all the symbology on the

462
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screen what it says and what it means

463
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and you basically see this thing flying

464
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and you can zoom in on it and it doesn't

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have a shape

466
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it's not square it's not round and it's

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shape shifting and it flies right over

468
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an airport and you can see it and then

469
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it goes out over the water and it goes

470
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in the water there's no splash and

471
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there's multiple accounts of these

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things going in the water without a

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physical splash and then it comes out

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and then it's two of them when it comes

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out of the water so that's what makes us

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think uh there's certain characteristics

477
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of an aircraft

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that things like the tic tac do not

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display that makes us think that it's

480
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not interacting with our atmosphere the

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way that we have to interact with the

482
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atmosphere when we want to fly there's

483
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certain um

484
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theorems uh and airplanes are built a

485
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certain way to create lift this thing

486
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doesn't have any of that stuff yeah it's

487
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like no we don't need to do all that

488
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well if you you guys have probably all

489
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know all about bob lazar

490
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right and didn't he basically have to

491
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reverse engineer

492
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how

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actually operated he was asked to do

494
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that he did not successfully do that he

495
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was asked to do that interesting yeah

496
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and it's yeah so i mean in my mind it's

497
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like the these might be um

498
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these might be beings well there's

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different levels of beings i believe

500
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because if you like a lot of spiritual

501
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people um talk about channeling

502
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different inter interdimensional beings

503
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like pleiadians arcturians um anunnakis

504
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things like that right um and and mantis

505
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beings and and and orions and uh beings

506
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like that and then there's also the

507
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beings where you

508
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like the grays right right and people

509
00:19:04,470 --> 00:19:02,640
talking about the grace so my knowledge

510
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comes from very much a spiritual

511
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perception a spiritual perspective but i

512
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am aware of some experiences that people

513
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have had and i wonder if some of these

514
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beings might be interdimensional and

515
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some of them actually might be physical

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but they're being able to play with

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dimensions and they're being able to

518
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move through time and space in ways that

519
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we just can't understand yet right sure

520
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can you guys educate me on this because

521
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this is a theory i've had since i was a

522
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teacher teaching u.s history is that

523
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more it was more prevalent to have

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abductions or sightings after

525
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world war ii and what i mean by that is

526
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after the atomic bomb

527
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and then the creation of turn

528
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right there there's a lot of talk about

529
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that that the the dawn of the atomic age

530
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may have

531
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somehow

532
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uh catalyzed

533
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an increase in sightings and experiences

534
00:19:57,270 --> 00:19:55,440
of this type of phenomenon and you know

535
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one big sort of

536
00:20:01,669 --> 00:19:59,360
reason why that might be is by

537
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discovering this power the power of the

538
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atom

539
00:20:07,430 --> 00:20:05,039
you know sort of like a giant flashing

540
00:20:09,270 --> 00:20:07,440
red light to the universe saying okay

541
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like this is a civilization that has

542
00:20:12,950 --> 00:20:11,280
discovered this technology it's

543
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incredibly dangerous

544
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and

545
00:20:19,110 --> 00:20:17,840
they're doing with it uh so that you

546
00:20:20,870 --> 00:20:19,120
know they don't maybe in their

547
00:20:22,630 --> 00:20:20,880
civilization and destroy their planet

548
00:20:23,669 --> 00:20:22,640
all the other species that are on that

549
00:20:26,710 --> 00:20:23,679
planet so

550
00:20:28,710 --> 00:20:26,720
it's certainly an interesting theory um

551
00:20:31,029 --> 00:20:28,720
on the other hand we can go back through

552
00:20:33,750 --> 00:20:31,039
history and and look at a lot of uh

553
00:20:35,830 --> 00:20:33,760
accounts of of what we call what we call

554
00:20:38,310 --> 00:20:35,840
strange things and say hey you know

555
00:20:41,270 --> 00:20:38,320
maybe that was in fact what we would

556
00:20:43,430 --> 00:20:41,280
call the modern day ufo phenomena

557
00:20:46,390 --> 00:20:43,440
can i interrupt for a second sure of

558
00:20:48,390 --> 00:20:46,400
course there is significant anecdotal

559
00:20:50,470 --> 00:20:48,400
evidence from places like

560
00:20:53,430 --> 00:20:50,480
maelstrom air force base where

561
00:20:56,549 --> 00:20:53,440
missileers saw them hovering over

562
00:20:59,669 --> 00:20:56,559
missile silos minuteman missile silos uh

563
00:21:02,390 --> 00:20:59,679
minot north dakota there's uh probably

564
00:21:05,590 --> 00:21:02,400
like 10 different sightings at one point

565
00:21:07,430 --> 00:21:05,600
they actually uh shut down missiles uh

566
00:21:09,590 --> 00:21:07,440
they would hover over there's a very

567
00:21:11,510 --> 00:21:09,600
famous guy named robert salas you can

568
00:21:14,310 --> 00:21:11,520
find him on he's actually on ufo twitter

569
00:21:17,190 --> 00:21:14,320
he's an old man now but you can see him

570
00:21:19,270 --> 00:21:17,200
in the late 60s when he was young and he

571
00:21:21,430 --> 00:21:19,280
was a commander of a missile silo his

572
00:21:23,350 --> 00:21:21,440
captain and he says yeah i went out

573
00:21:25,909 --> 00:21:23,360
there and was sitting there hovering and

574
00:21:28,390 --> 00:21:25,919
shot a beam into the missile silo he's

575
00:21:30,470 --> 00:21:28,400
not the only one that tells that story

576
00:21:32,870 --> 00:21:30,480
there are other security policemen from

577
00:21:35,029 --> 00:21:32,880
the air force that tell a very similar

578
00:21:38,310 --> 00:21:35,039
story so there's anecdotal evidence that

579
00:21:41,350 --> 00:21:38,320
they have both started launch sequences

580
00:21:42,950 --> 00:21:41,360
and let humans shut them down and also

581
00:21:44,950 --> 00:21:42,960
turned off missiles

582
00:21:47,750 --> 00:21:44,960
that were online

583
00:21:50,070 --> 00:21:47,760
so yeah and the russians have recounted

584
00:21:51,510 --> 00:21:50,080
experiences like this as well with their

585
00:21:53,350 --> 00:21:51,520
icbms

586
00:21:55,510 --> 00:21:53,360
uh so yeah super super duper interesting

587
00:21:56,789 --> 00:21:55,520
stuff and you know carly and what i

588
00:21:59,350 --> 00:21:56,799
would love to

589
00:22:01,430 --> 00:21:59,360
uh kind of get into with you so what i

590
00:22:04,070 --> 00:22:01,440
find fascinating is

591
00:22:06,149 --> 00:22:04,080
sort of everyone's different

592
00:22:07,430 --> 00:22:06,159
on-road to this topic right so

593
00:22:09,590 --> 00:22:07,440
everyone's got a little bit of a

594
00:22:12,230 --> 00:22:09,600
different path that they follow where

595
00:22:14,310 --> 00:22:12,240
they land on this subject and when they

596
00:22:15,990 --> 00:22:14,320
land on it they land on it kind of on a

597
00:22:17,990 --> 00:22:16,000
spectrum we're all on a spectrum in a

598
00:22:20,390 --> 00:22:18,000
certain way you know some of us might be

599
00:22:23,029 --> 00:22:20,400
more in the that's in both sides some of

600
00:22:25,190 --> 00:22:23,039
us might be more in the uh the spiritual

601
00:22:27,510 --> 00:22:25,200
side uh you know that it may be more

602
00:22:29,029 --> 00:22:27,520
religious type of phenomena there's a

603
00:22:30,710 --> 00:22:29,039
whole kind of host of things that go on

604
00:22:33,750 --> 00:22:30,720
there but what i'm interested to hear

605
00:22:36,070 --> 00:22:33,760
from you and in particular your journey

606
00:22:37,590 --> 00:22:36,080
is the way in which

607
00:22:40,630 --> 00:22:37,600
your

608
00:22:42,070 --> 00:22:40,640
journey through yoga and through

609
00:22:43,430 --> 00:22:42,080
aerial yoga

610
00:22:47,590 --> 00:22:43,440
and through

611
00:22:49,830 --> 00:22:47,600
hypnosis you know how has that

612
00:22:51,990 --> 00:22:49,840
how have those stepping stones

613
00:22:53,830 --> 00:22:52,000
you know kind of opened up your

614
00:22:56,549 --> 00:22:53,840
perception to these other things and how

615
00:22:58,470 --> 00:22:56,559
has it kind of changed your world view

616
00:23:00,870 --> 00:22:58,480
by going through those different types

617
00:23:01,750 --> 00:23:00,880
of practices because i really think

618
00:23:03,830 --> 00:23:01,760
that

619
00:23:05,990 --> 00:23:03,840
when you begin a practice anytime it's a

620
00:23:08,470 --> 00:23:06,000
new practice right let's say that you

621
00:23:10,149 --> 00:23:08,480
you want to paint for the first time or

622
00:23:11,029 --> 00:23:10,159
you want to write poetry or whatever it

623
00:23:14,630 --> 00:23:11,039
is

624
00:23:15,590 --> 00:23:14,640
someone someone exposes you to that

625
00:23:17,669 --> 00:23:15,600
thing

626
00:23:20,470 --> 00:23:17,679
and they essentially reveal to you a

627
00:23:22,390 --> 00:23:20,480
world that didn't exist before a world

628
00:23:23,909 --> 00:23:22,400
that was unknown to you before

629
00:23:26,549 --> 00:23:23,919
and in a way they're giving you an

630
00:23:28,710 --> 00:23:26,559
invitation to come into that space and

631
00:23:30,470 --> 00:23:28,720
think of it like your studio

632
00:23:32,070 --> 00:23:30,480
when when you have a new client come in

633
00:23:34,470 --> 00:23:32,080
you're inviting them to come into that

634
00:23:37,590 --> 00:23:34,480
space with you and that space

635
00:23:39,190 --> 00:23:37,600
is a new kind of canvas if you will that

636
00:23:42,549 --> 00:23:39,200
they are going to explore with their

637
00:23:45,029 --> 00:23:42,559
body uh and with their time and and that

638
00:23:47,430 --> 00:23:45,039
that the act of doing those things how

639
00:23:48,630 --> 00:23:47,440
does that change a person and how has it

640
00:23:51,669 --> 00:23:48,640
changed you

641
00:23:53,830 --> 00:23:51,679
uh over the course of your journey

642
00:23:57,830 --> 00:23:53,840
so are you asking for what was my like

643
00:24:00,070 --> 00:23:57,840
initiation into aliens and ufos or

644
00:24:02,549 --> 00:24:00,080
i think i think he's asking how

645
00:24:05,110 --> 00:24:02,559
your uh teaching your practice your

646
00:24:05,909 --> 00:24:05,120
acknowledgement you're taking yoga into

647
00:24:11,990 --> 00:24:05,919
you

648
00:24:13,269 --> 00:24:12,000
into this space because my follow-up to

649
00:24:15,909 --> 00:24:13,279
him is going to be like i think we're

650
00:24:19,350 --> 00:24:15,919
more open to the space yeah i

651
00:24:21,110 --> 00:24:19,360
was more closed off to all of this um

652
00:24:23,029 --> 00:24:21,120
and then i think through not just

653
00:24:27,590 --> 00:24:23,039
studying yoga and

654
00:24:31,269 --> 00:24:29,669
if i could pinpoint it let me i mean

655
00:24:33,350 --> 00:24:31,279
that's difficult for me at this point i

656
00:24:35,430 --> 00:24:33,360
think but i think what opened me up to

657
00:24:37,990 --> 00:24:35,440
it was i'm gonna circle back and give

658
00:24:39,350 --> 00:24:38,000
her credit natasha um was a big piece of

659
00:24:42,549 --> 00:24:39,360
that and i and i

660
00:24:44,789 --> 00:24:42,559
and she cuz she was into aliens and and

661
00:24:48,630 --> 00:24:44,799
or you know and had had experiences and

662
00:24:51,510 --> 00:24:48,640
and i had done hypnosis with her and um

663
00:24:53,110 --> 00:24:51,520
and with some other people as well and

664
00:24:54,549 --> 00:24:53,120
and since then i have and they've had

665
00:24:56,549 --> 00:24:54,559
these experiences that actually started

666
00:24:59,669 --> 00:24:56,559
to make me very curious

667
00:25:02,470 --> 00:24:59,679
um when it comes to ufo and ufology and

668
00:25:04,549 --> 00:25:02,480
aliens i was

669
00:25:06,310 --> 00:25:04,559
partially in denial for a while i

670
00:25:07,350 --> 00:25:06,320
believe they did exist i believe that

671
00:25:09,909 --> 00:25:07,360
they didn't

672
00:25:12,230 --> 00:25:09,919
um really contact us if they did why

673
00:25:13,590 --> 00:25:12,240
isn't there more evidence of it

674
00:25:15,830 --> 00:25:13,600
because everyone's got everyone has a

675
00:25:17,830 --> 00:25:15,840
computer in their pocket sure um why

676
00:25:19,590 --> 00:25:17,840
aren't there more videos um and then i

677
00:25:21,269 --> 00:25:19,600
will tell you like when i almost i

678
00:25:23,990 --> 00:25:21,279
believe i saw one last week and i'll

679
00:25:25,669 --> 00:25:24,000
talk about that in a second but um i had

680
00:25:33,269 --> 00:25:25,679
my phone on me and i didn't take a

681
00:25:37,590 --> 00:25:35,430
and then i have this theory now nathan

682
00:25:39,909 --> 00:25:37,600
and i i might be digressing but

683
00:25:42,310 --> 00:25:39,919
um i'll get back um but i have this

684
00:25:43,990 --> 00:25:42,320
theory now that maybe they maybe they

685
00:25:46,310 --> 00:25:44,000
only show themselves to who they want to

686
00:25:48,549 --> 00:25:46,320
show themselves to and then when they do

687
00:25:51,029 --> 00:25:48,559
that they kind of

688
00:25:53,430 --> 00:25:51,039
because they can do telepathy um maybe

689
00:25:55,110 --> 00:25:53,440
kind of nudge you away from the impulse

690
00:25:57,190 --> 00:25:55,120
to grab the device and get the camera

691
00:25:59,830 --> 00:25:57,200
going

692
00:26:01,830 --> 00:25:59,840
you know i don't know

693
00:26:04,470 --> 00:26:01,840
but that kind of opened me up more to

694
00:26:06,950 --> 00:26:04,480
these experiences because i hadn't had

695
00:26:10,230 --> 00:26:06,960
any of my own and then through talking

696
00:26:12,710 --> 00:26:10,240
about it i mean i'm 35 now and my mother

697
00:26:14,310 --> 00:26:12,720
finally admitted uh maybe two or three

698
00:26:15,990 --> 00:26:14,320
months ago about the incident i'm

699
00:26:19,190 --> 00:26:16,000
talking about when i was seven

700
00:26:22,230 --> 00:26:19,200
so these conversations started to happen

701
00:26:25,269 --> 00:26:22,240
and then i was um quick quick story we

702
00:26:27,110 --> 00:26:25,279
were at a fireside on a mountaintop in

703
00:26:29,909 --> 00:26:27,120
oregon with a group of us around

704
00:26:31,909 --> 00:26:29,919
memorial day weekend there was about 20

705
00:26:33,669 --> 00:26:31,919
15 to 20 of us in a group we had the

706
00:26:36,070 --> 00:26:33,679
whole mountain to ourselves in oregon

707
00:26:38,789 --> 00:26:36,080
and um i someone around the campfire was

708
00:26:41,510 --> 00:26:38,799
like can you just do a quick hypnosis

709
00:26:43,590 --> 00:26:41,520
and i i did a really brief 10 15 minute

710
00:26:46,070 --> 00:26:43,600
session right there with the group

711
00:26:47,350 --> 00:26:46,080
one person did not participate and when

712
00:26:49,909 --> 00:26:47,360
i was done

713
00:26:53,430 --> 00:26:49,919
he goes so uh while you were doing that

714
00:26:55,830 --> 00:26:53,440
um i think i saw ufo fly over all of us

715
00:26:58,710 --> 00:26:55,840
and he didn't stop me he didn't say

716
00:27:00,310 --> 00:26:58,720
anything right very disappointed

717
00:27:02,230 --> 00:27:00,320
i actually have something more important

718
00:27:04,310 --> 00:27:02,240
carlene this is a reason why you need to

719
00:27:05,590 --> 00:27:04,320
keep your iphone square because you

720
00:27:06,950 --> 00:27:05,600
could have been like yeah i could do a

721
00:27:10,070 --> 00:27:06,960
15 minute do you mind just sliding your

722
00:27:12,149 --> 00:27:10,080
debit card here that'll be 35

723
00:27:14,310 --> 00:27:12,159
i mean that's reasonable right i'm gonna

724
00:27:16,950 --> 00:27:14,320
do a five month i'm not you know a month

725
00:27:18,389 --> 00:27:16,960
having a weekend here and okay so make

726
00:27:20,710 --> 00:27:18,399
sure you have that square with you at

727
00:27:22,549 --> 00:27:20,720
all times it's a good tip okay so my

728
00:27:24,549 --> 00:27:22,559
appreciation was definitely just

729
00:27:26,389 --> 00:27:24,559
hypnotizing people and having

730
00:27:28,870 --> 00:27:26,399
experiences come about

731
00:27:30,549 --> 00:27:28,880
and then um and then the more i talk

732
00:27:31,990 --> 00:27:30,559
about it people start to come out of the

733
00:27:34,230 --> 00:27:32,000
woodwork a little bit and they start to

734
00:27:36,630 --> 00:27:34,240
chat more about it yeah okay so as a

735
00:27:38,230 --> 00:27:36,640
yogi you didn't you still weren't buying

736
00:27:40,549 --> 00:27:38,240
into it

737
00:27:43,029 --> 00:27:40,559
ufos and aliens right

738
00:27:45,269 --> 00:27:43,039
that was outside of my paradigm

739
00:27:48,549 --> 00:27:45,279
okay guys it was great having carlene

740
00:27:53,350 --> 00:27:51,430
right so it was something that was i

741
00:27:55,750 --> 00:27:53,360
believe they were the out there but they

742
00:27:57,750 --> 00:27:55,760
were but they

743
00:27:59,590 --> 00:27:57,760
they weren't really interacting with us

744
00:28:01,990 --> 00:27:59,600
you know they were observing maybe

745
00:28:03,830 --> 00:28:02,000
that's where i come from so yeah so so

746
00:28:06,070 --> 00:28:03,840
i've i've been converted

747
00:28:10,230 --> 00:28:06,080
wait before we continue can we just give

748
00:28:12,710 --> 00:28:10,240
a shout out to snh's snhu's favorite

749
00:28:15,430 --> 00:28:12,720
academic advisor my advisor

750
00:28:17,110 --> 00:28:15,440
natasha dominguez what's up home girl

751
00:28:18,549 --> 00:28:17,120
yeah there you go sorry shout out to her

752
00:28:20,149 --> 00:28:18,559
for sure

753
00:28:21,590 --> 00:28:20,159
uh now we had a great time talking with

754
00:28:23,669 --> 00:28:21,600
her and look looking forward to talking

755
00:28:25,830 --> 00:28:23,679
with her again i learned a ton that that

756
00:28:27,029 --> 00:28:25,840
night during that conversation about the

757
00:28:29,590 --> 00:28:27,039
ghost hunting

758
00:28:32,070 --> 00:28:29,600
yeah she's very knowledgeable yeah

759
00:28:33,750 --> 00:28:32,080
really knowledgeable and her work is uh

760
00:28:35,269 --> 00:28:33,760
it's really cool i've been on some

761
00:28:38,389 --> 00:28:35,279
intense hunts with her where we've had

762
00:28:41,190 --> 00:28:38,399
some uh interactions oh i can imagine i

763
00:28:42,870 --> 00:28:41,200
can imagine yeah but but so so

764
00:28:44,549 --> 00:28:42,880
coming back to kind of i guess my

765
00:28:45,750 --> 00:28:44,559
question a little bit too the way i'm

766
00:28:48,630 --> 00:28:45,760
trying to think about this and i may

767
00:28:50,630 --> 00:28:48,640
have phrased it poorly but

768
00:28:52,710 --> 00:28:50,640
i i grew up in a in a religious

769
00:28:54,950 --> 00:28:52,720
household and a lot of americans did i'm

770
00:28:57,350 --> 00:28:54,960
sure um and have have a little bit of

771
00:28:59,510 --> 00:28:57,360
similar context there but but the very

772
00:29:01,350 --> 00:28:59,520
exposure to

773
00:29:04,549 --> 00:29:01,360
religious thinking

774
00:29:07,990 --> 00:29:04,559
you know uh to concepts like um

775
00:29:09,350 --> 00:29:08,000
angels or demons or prayer uh or

776
00:29:13,909 --> 00:29:09,360
miracles

777
00:29:18,310 --> 00:29:16,789
these are sparks that light sort of new

778
00:29:20,470 --> 00:29:18,320
fires in the mind

779
00:29:22,389 --> 00:29:20,480
and make the mind believe that things

780
00:29:24,230 --> 00:29:22,399
are capable where you weren't aware of

781
00:29:26,789 --> 00:29:24,240
their capability before

782
00:29:28,149 --> 00:29:26,799
and so with yoga

783
00:29:29,590 --> 00:29:28,159
and i've done a little bit of yoga and i

784
00:29:32,710 --> 00:29:29,600
wish i would have been i wish i was

785
00:29:34,870 --> 00:29:32,720
doing more i love it uh but but in doing

786
00:29:37,269 --> 00:29:34,880
it what i discovered about myself

787
00:29:40,789 --> 00:29:37,279
is that things that i didn't think i was

788
00:29:43,350 --> 00:29:40,799
capable of doing i really was so so yoga

789
00:29:45,750 --> 00:29:43,360
was a gateway for me to understand that

790
00:29:48,549 --> 00:29:45,760
i had more capability

791
00:29:52,070 --> 00:29:48,559
than i was aware of before

792
00:29:56,710 --> 00:29:52,080
um and so it's i'm curious in with your

793
00:29:58,710 --> 00:29:56,720
with your practice of it um did that um

794
00:30:01,029 --> 00:29:58,720
you know kind of broaden your your

795
00:30:02,149 --> 00:30:01,039
acceptance of other things in your life

796
00:30:03,430 --> 00:30:02,159
that you may not have been aware of

797
00:30:06,870 --> 00:30:03,440
before

798
00:30:09,350 --> 00:30:06,880
but yes but um so did psychedelics

799
00:30:11,510 --> 00:30:09,360
okay all right we can go there too for

800
00:30:14,149 --> 00:30:11,520
me it's from jack daniels and of course

801
00:30:15,830 --> 00:30:14,159
latin i've seen a lot of things

802
00:30:18,710 --> 00:30:15,840
there was a there was a woman who had

803
00:30:21,909 --> 00:30:18,720
started coming to my studio um

804
00:30:24,149 --> 00:30:21,919
uh three or four years ago and she um

805
00:30:26,549 --> 00:30:24,159
was she was used to be a clinical

806
00:30:28,389 --> 00:30:26,559
therapist in a mesodone mesodone

807
00:30:29,350 --> 00:30:28,399
methadone clinic methadone

808
00:30:34,549 --> 00:30:29,360
thank you

809
00:30:36,070 --> 00:30:34,559
word and she found that she couldn't

810
00:30:37,990 --> 00:30:36,080
work with clients and help them the way

811
00:30:39,990 --> 00:30:38,000
she wanted to she was a big believer and

812
00:30:41,590 --> 00:30:40,000
i am a big believer this that psilocybin

813
00:30:43,590 --> 00:30:41,600
mushrooms psychedelic mushroom can

814
00:30:45,750 --> 00:30:43,600
actually help cure people who have

815
00:30:47,990 --> 00:30:45,760
mental illness and addiction i'm a big

816
00:30:49,269 --> 00:30:48,000
proponent of mushrooms i love mushrooms

817
00:30:51,830 --> 00:30:49,279
i'm not just almost psychedelics i'm

818
00:30:54,070 --> 00:30:51,840
talking about chaga reishi lions main

819
00:30:55,830 --> 00:30:54,080
turkey tail like other supplementation

820
00:30:57,669 --> 00:30:55,840
of mushroom i think it's a very powerful

821
00:30:59,350 --> 00:30:57,679
medicine looking at paul's diamonds if

822
00:31:01,430 --> 00:30:59,360
anybody is mm-hmm

823
00:31:03,190 --> 00:31:01,440
um but this girl but this girl was

824
00:31:05,909 --> 00:31:03,200
definitely um

825
00:31:07,669 --> 00:31:05,919
she would do uh hypnotic work with me

826
00:31:09,509 --> 00:31:07,679
and she would also

827
00:31:11,110 --> 00:31:09,519
educate me about

828
00:31:14,149 --> 00:31:11,120
um using

829
00:31:16,470 --> 00:31:14,159
a psychedelic as a tool and

830
00:31:18,630 --> 00:31:16,480
to for mine expansion and and through

831
00:31:21,190 --> 00:31:18,640
doing that that's when i i really

832
00:31:24,149 --> 00:31:21,200
cracked open so yoga and spirituality

833
00:31:25,909 --> 00:31:24,159
was probably the gateway drug but i mean

834
00:31:27,990 --> 00:31:25,919
mushroom psilocybin really like pushed

835
00:31:30,070 --> 00:31:28,000
me through that threshold where i was

836
00:31:31,590 --> 00:31:30,080
able to experience and expand my mind in

837
00:31:33,430 --> 00:31:31,600
a way in my consciousness in a way where

838
00:31:36,230 --> 00:31:33,440
i was more accepting of these things

839
00:31:38,149 --> 00:31:36,240
gotcha say yoga and and by the way i

840
00:31:40,870 --> 00:31:38,159
know what posed that nathan was really

841
00:31:43,029 --> 00:31:40,880
challenging he's talking about barbarita

842
00:31:45,190 --> 00:31:43,039
artist andrasana i can't do that pose

843
00:31:47,269 --> 00:31:45,200
either i have to stare at the ground and

844
00:31:48,950 --> 00:31:47,279
then i can't look at my hand but that's

845
00:31:50,630 --> 00:31:48,960
beside the point it doesn't matter

846
00:31:52,870 --> 00:31:50,640
though you're still a good person even

847
00:31:54,230 --> 00:31:52,880
if you can't attain the pose perfect i

848
00:31:56,630 --> 00:31:54,240
don't know that was not humor him too

849
00:31:58,630 --> 00:31:56,640
much okay absolutely no i

850
00:32:00,149 --> 00:31:58,640
no i i actually serve a different

851
00:32:02,710 --> 00:32:00,159
function because people will come to

852
00:32:05,590 --> 00:32:02,720
class and they'll go okay this guy can't

853
00:32:08,630 --> 00:32:05,600
do like all those superb he's not super

854
00:32:10,470 --> 00:32:08,640
flexible and that's that's what i want i

855
00:32:13,110 --> 00:32:10,480
want everybody to believe that they can

856
00:32:14,789 --> 00:32:13,120
come into class they can do them the

857
00:32:17,110 --> 00:32:14,799
person at the front of the room is not a

858
00:32:19,750 --> 00:32:17,120
shaman they're not your boss they're not

859
00:32:21,669 --> 00:32:19,760
the master it's not simon says

860
00:32:24,950 --> 00:32:21,679
you go into anybody's class and you do

861
00:32:27,269 --> 00:32:24,960
you and whatever that posture looks like

862
00:32:30,789 --> 00:32:27,279
that's great um

863
00:32:31,509 --> 00:32:30,799
so anyway yeah um nobody's the master

864
00:32:34,630 --> 00:32:31,519
yeah

865
00:32:36,549 --> 00:32:34,640
um i'm just a guide and i'm fallible i

866
00:32:38,470 --> 00:32:36,559
fall out of postures and what i do is i

867
00:32:41,190 --> 00:32:38,480
see what do you do in life when you fall

868
00:32:42,870 --> 00:32:41,200
down you get up and you try it again and

869
00:32:44,789 --> 00:32:42,880
you laugh at yourself and then we're

870
00:32:47,430 --> 00:32:44,799
going to go back to artisan drastina

871
00:32:49,590 --> 00:32:47,440
twist it if necessary so anyway enough

872
00:32:51,990 --> 00:32:49,600
about yoga we're here to find out about

873
00:32:54,870 --> 00:32:52,000
carlene's ufo experience that happened

874
00:32:57,110 --> 00:32:54,880
what the sunday before last

875
00:32:58,070 --> 00:32:57,120
yeah so it's not going to be that i fear

876
00:32:59,830 --> 00:32:58,080
it's not going to be that cool of a

877
00:33:01,909 --> 00:32:59,840
story for the listeners but um i'll tell

878
00:33:04,950 --> 00:33:01,919
you my version and my perception and you

879
00:33:06,950 --> 00:33:04,960
guys can tell me what you think okay um

880
00:33:08,310 --> 00:33:06,960
so i checked in with natasha because oh

881
00:33:15,990 --> 00:33:08,320
my gosh this is like the natasha show

882
00:33:20,470 --> 00:33:18,549
uh this particular podcast but um

883
00:33:22,070 --> 00:33:20,480
regardless so i gone to her because i

884
00:33:23,509 --> 00:33:22,080
doubted the experience i went to her

885
00:33:24,950 --> 00:33:23,519
actually two days later after it

886
00:33:26,630 --> 00:33:24,960
happened because i really just was like

887
00:33:27,669 --> 00:33:26,640
i don't know and i kind of like just put

888
00:33:30,230 --> 00:33:27,679
it aside

889
00:33:32,470 --> 00:33:30,240
and um she was like well you know she's

890
00:33:34,149 --> 00:33:32,480
like maybe it was and and then i started

891
00:33:36,310 --> 00:33:34,159
going down a little research rabbit hole

892
00:33:39,509 --> 00:33:36,320
so what had happened was um

893
00:33:41,509 --> 00:33:39,519
i'm in idaho um i'm in boise and it's a

894
00:33:44,310 --> 00:33:41,519
valley and we're surrounded by mountains

895
00:33:46,870 --> 00:33:44,320
or foothills and um there are popular

896
00:33:48,310 --> 00:33:46,880
places to hike so i had gone up to the

897
00:33:50,710 --> 00:33:48,320
biggest mountain over here which is

898
00:33:52,870 --> 00:33:50,720
called bogus basin at night did you say

899
00:33:54,710 --> 00:33:52,880
no no no during the day okay no during

900
00:33:56,310 --> 00:33:54,720
the day it was i went up there around

901
00:33:58,870 --> 00:33:56,320
seven in the morning so i go up to go

902
00:34:00,950 --> 00:33:58,880
hiking with my dog and this is why i

903
00:34:02,789 --> 00:34:00,960
doubted this for two days or so and i

904
00:34:04,789 --> 00:34:02,799
still kind of am weary of it but hear me

905
00:34:05,669 --> 00:34:04,799
out so i'm driving back down this

906
00:34:07,990 --> 00:34:05,679
mountain

907
00:34:09,589 --> 00:34:08,000
and i'm going about um

908
00:34:11,109 --> 00:34:09,599
10 miles an hour 15 miles an hour

909
00:34:12,790 --> 00:34:11,119
because it's a lot of switchbacks and

910
00:34:14,790 --> 00:34:12,800
it's very steep and there's a lot of

911
00:34:16,869 --> 00:34:14,800
oncoming traffic but i'm the only car

912
00:34:18,629 --> 00:34:16,879
descending the mountain it's like 10 in

913
00:34:20,230 --> 00:34:18,639
the morning on a sunday and it's broad

914
00:34:22,710 --> 00:34:20,240
daylight

915
00:34:24,149 --> 00:34:22,720
and as i'm coming down i am just

916
00:34:25,829 --> 00:34:24,159
listening to my music and not thinking

917
00:34:26,629 --> 00:34:25,839
of anything in particular i look up and

918
00:34:29,990 --> 00:34:26,639
i'm

919
00:34:32,950 --> 00:34:30,000
seeing a hazy so it wasn't solid it was

920
00:34:35,270 --> 00:34:32,960
like but not transparent either it was

921
00:34:38,710 --> 00:34:35,280
hazy looking and it was a black

922
00:34:40,629 --> 00:34:38,720
rectangle right and it was um

923
00:34:43,430 --> 00:34:40,639
laying horizontally so the more narrow

924
00:34:45,669 --> 00:34:43,440
ends were on the side and it was longer

925
00:34:47,669 --> 00:34:45,679
um i would guess someone had asked me i

926
00:34:48,550 --> 00:34:47,679
would guess the size of a house

927
00:34:49,349 --> 00:34:48,560
okay

928
00:34:51,990 --> 00:34:49,359
so

929
00:34:55,030 --> 00:34:52,000
shape

930
00:34:56,950 --> 00:34:55,040
how could because if the aspect that

931
00:34:59,670 --> 00:34:56,960
you're looking at it are you looking at

932
00:35:00,550 --> 00:34:59,680
the long end of the rectangle

933
00:35:03,349 --> 00:35:00,560
yes

934
00:35:05,349 --> 00:35:03,359
and the its relative height compared to

935
00:35:07,270 --> 00:35:05,359
you was

936
00:35:09,270 --> 00:35:07,280
that was the more shorter side right so

937
00:35:10,790 --> 00:35:09,280
the longer side was going end to end

938
00:35:12,390 --> 00:35:10,800
think of like it was like the hot dog

939
00:35:14,630 --> 00:35:12,400
not the hamburger

940
00:35:17,109 --> 00:35:14,640
right so yeah you're seeing the longer

941
00:35:18,870 --> 00:35:17,119
end was facing your car because i'm

942
00:35:21,109 --> 00:35:18,880
curious because i haven't i've heard of

943
00:35:22,950 --> 00:35:21,119
a lot of triangles so that's why i'm

944
00:35:25,349 --> 00:35:22,960
curious if it could have been a triangle

945
00:35:27,109 --> 00:35:25,359
right so so i had actually found an

946
00:35:28,790 --> 00:35:27,119
image online i haven't shared it with

947
00:35:30,790 --> 00:35:28,800
you guys but i found an image online

948
00:35:32,870 --> 00:35:30,800
that was identical to what i saw

949
00:35:34,069 --> 00:35:32,880
okay and i shared it with natasha yeah

950
00:35:36,390 --> 00:35:34,079
i've got it

951
00:35:37,750 --> 00:35:36,400
oh okay um

952
00:35:40,150 --> 00:35:37,760
yeah

953
00:35:41,589 --> 00:35:40,160
so it's it's just a google image search

954
00:35:43,589 --> 00:35:41,599
it's not what i saw because i didn't

955
00:35:45,829 --> 00:35:43,599
take a picture

956
00:35:47,349 --> 00:35:45,839
right and i slowed my car down because

957
00:35:49,030 --> 00:35:47,359
there was no traffic behind me so i

958
00:35:51,190 --> 00:35:49,040
slowed down to about five seven miles an

959
00:35:52,710 --> 00:35:51,200
hour and i was like what am i looking at

960
00:35:54,390 --> 00:35:52,720
now as you're switching back down the

961
00:35:56,390 --> 00:35:54,400
mountain you know you

962
00:35:58,310 --> 00:35:56,400
i would lose my view of it right because

963
00:36:00,470 --> 00:35:58,320
you'd have a hill or a house or

964
00:36:02,550 --> 00:36:00,480
something block your view and this thing

965
00:36:04,550 --> 00:36:02,560
was hovering and again about the size of

966
00:36:07,589 --> 00:36:04,560
a house it's hovering over

967
00:36:11,109 --> 00:36:07,599
um the southern side of boise city and

968
00:36:12,310 --> 00:36:11,119
i'm thinking if i'm seeing this

969
00:36:15,430 --> 00:36:12,320
everyone else is going to be seeing this

970
00:36:17,510 --> 00:36:15,440
this thing's huge right um but as i was

971
00:36:18,710 --> 00:36:17,520
focusing on it and i slowing i'm

972
00:36:19,990 --> 00:36:18,720
starting to slow my car down

973
00:36:21,670 --> 00:36:20,000
intentionally to get out and take a

974
00:36:24,310 --> 00:36:21,680
picture or just get a better look at it

975
00:36:25,510 --> 00:36:24,320
it started to slowly disappear and fade

976
00:36:27,430 --> 00:36:25,520
it out

977
00:36:28,390 --> 00:36:27,440
and then i took another turn and it was

978
00:36:30,870 --> 00:36:28,400
gone

979
00:36:32,230 --> 00:36:30,880
so i doubted it for two days or so and

980
00:36:34,790 --> 00:36:32,240
then i started talking to natasha i

981
00:36:36,710 --> 00:36:34,800
found that picture and um

982
00:36:39,589 --> 00:36:36,720
i was like okay this might be something

983
00:36:40,870 --> 00:36:39,599
i saw i have no idea i went online and

984
00:36:42,069 --> 00:36:40,880
you know to see if there's any ufo

985
00:36:44,870 --> 00:36:42,079
reports

986
00:36:46,870 --> 00:36:44,880
and there's quite a few in idaho and

987
00:36:48,630 --> 00:36:46,880
especially in the pacific northwest but

988
00:36:51,349 --> 00:36:48,640
they're usually triangles

989
00:36:55,349 --> 00:36:51,359
um i'll see if i can share the screen

990
00:36:57,349 --> 00:36:55,359
now so you guys can see it sure so let

991
00:36:58,710 --> 00:36:57,359
me see if this will work if you guys can

992
00:37:01,910 --> 00:36:58,720
see

993
00:37:04,069 --> 00:37:01,920
there you go oh went away

994
00:37:06,950 --> 00:37:04,079
yeah did it

995
00:37:09,990 --> 00:37:06,960
oh wait share screen there you go

996
00:37:11,109 --> 00:37:10,000
all right yeah cool

997
00:37:12,710 --> 00:37:11,119
and

998
00:37:14,470 --> 00:37:12,720
did it

999
00:37:16,630 --> 00:37:14,480
i got your screen

1000
00:37:19,510 --> 00:37:16,640
okay y'all you see it okay let me see

1001
00:37:20,470 --> 00:37:19,520
your screen is here can you see this

1002
00:37:24,150 --> 00:37:20,480
no

1003
00:37:25,670 --> 00:37:24,160
nathan does it have something where you

1004
00:37:28,069 --> 00:37:25,680
can put it on but it's really cool it

1005
00:37:30,950 --> 00:37:28,079
does exactly look like that's exactly

1006
00:37:34,630 --> 00:37:30,960
what i saw the same like um oh

1007
00:37:38,470 --> 00:37:36,550
yeah that was really that's really

1008
00:37:41,190 --> 00:37:38,480
really cool so all right so you could

1009
00:37:43,589 --> 00:37:41,200
see the bottom of it enough that you

1010
00:37:45,670 --> 00:37:43,599
could tell the shape was not triangular

1011
00:37:47,270 --> 00:37:45,680
in fact it was a rectangle because your

1012
00:37:50,790 --> 00:37:47,280
relative position

1013
00:37:52,950 --> 00:37:50,800
yeah it was i never and i and obviously

1014
00:37:55,349 --> 00:37:52,960
most of my hypnotic sessions and people

1015
00:37:58,069 --> 00:37:55,359
that i've heard from and usually images

1016
00:37:59,349 --> 00:37:58,079
you look up are triangle and uh i

1017
00:38:00,950 --> 00:37:59,359
believe the one my mother saw was a

1018
00:38:03,510 --> 00:38:00,960
triangle but

1019
00:38:04,390 --> 00:38:03,520
no i was hope i was very confused by

1020
00:38:06,150 --> 00:38:04,400
this

1021
00:38:07,589 --> 00:38:06,160
let me let nathan get in a question

1022
00:38:09,990 --> 00:38:07,599
about this because then

1023
00:38:11,349 --> 00:38:10,000
we gotta go to anjali and i'm not

1024
00:38:16,870 --> 00:38:11,359
talking mudra

1025
00:38:19,109 --> 00:38:16,880
was fired up today she was ready to just

1026
00:38:20,790 --> 00:38:19,119
let loose man well right in the middle

1027
00:38:22,310 --> 00:38:20,800
of my work day i'm like hold it hold it

1028
00:38:24,390 --> 00:38:22,320
for tonight girl

1029
00:38:26,310 --> 00:38:24,400
all right go ahead nathan do you have

1030
00:38:28,550 --> 00:38:26,320
anything final about the sighting that

1031
00:38:30,310 --> 00:38:28,560
you would like to inquire about

1032
00:38:31,829 --> 00:38:30,320
yeah so

1033
00:38:33,349 --> 00:38:31,839
at this point i mean this is pretty

1034
00:38:35,829 --> 00:38:33,359
recent and as you mentioned at the

1035
00:38:38,630 --> 00:38:35,839
beginning of the show you've done

1036
00:38:40,630 --> 00:38:38,640
a large number of um hypnotherapy

1037
00:38:42,710 --> 00:38:40,640
sessions with folks and i watched a

1038
00:38:44,470 --> 00:38:42,720
couple of those on your youtube channel

1039
00:38:45,829 --> 00:38:44,480
they were really interesting

1040
00:38:47,430 --> 00:38:45,839
including some that that people talk

1041
00:38:49,829 --> 00:38:47,440
about um

1042
00:38:52,390 --> 00:38:49,839
their own experiences with uh you know

1043
00:38:53,270 --> 00:38:52,400
sort of ufos or aliens or whatnot

1044
00:38:56,230 --> 00:38:53,280
um

1045
00:38:58,230 --> 00:38:56,240
so again kind of coming back to this

1046
00:39:00,069 --> 00:38:58,240
notion of i don't want to use the word

1047
00:39:01,030 --> 00:39:00,079
conditioning because that that sounds as

1048
00:39:03,109 --> 00:39:01,040
if

1049
00:39:06,150 --> 00:39:03,119
it is um

1050
00:39:08,069 --> 00:39:06,160
it's it's controlled um what i what i

1051
00:39:10,630 --> 00:39:08,079
want to use or think about this in terms

1052
00:39:13,430 --> 00:39:10,640
of as expand expansion and sort of a

1053
00:39:15,910 --> 00:39:13,440
mental expansion so is your could you

1054
00:39:18,550 --> 00:39:15,920
say that your work with your patients

1055
00:39:20,310 --> 00:39:18,560
and some of their regressive

1056
00:39:23,349 --> 00:39:20,320
regression experiences

1057
00:39:29,190 --> 00:39:27,030
made room in your mind for

1058
00:39:31,910 --> 00:39:29,200
looking for these things or stumbling

1059
00:39:34,150 --> 00:39:31,920
upon them or or or maybe you know you

1060
00:39:36,310 --> 00:39:34,160
probably heard of the word um

1061
00:39:39,030 --> 00:39:36,320
i'll mispronounce it but it's uh

1062
00:39:42,150 --> 00:39:39,040
paradilia and that's essentially where

1063
00:39:45,349 --> 00:39:42,160
you look at a cloud and you see like oh

1064
00:39:46,230 --> 00:39:45,359
that's a a a bunny or that's uh you know

1065
00:39:47,510 --> 00:39:46,240
like

1066
00:39:50,150 --> 00:39:47,520
we look at shapes

1067
00:39:51,829 --> 00:39:50,160
i feared what i feared i was doing

1068
00:39:53,270 --> 00:39:51,839
that's what i feared

1069
00:39:56,150 --> 00:39:53,280
but it stayed in places you kind of

1070
00:39:57,910 --> 00:39:56,160
moved around and then it it did not move

1071
00:40:00,550 --> 00:39:57,920
it didn't move and the color was strange

1072
00:40:02,790 --> 00:40:00,560
too right you said it was kind of black

1073
00:40:04,790 --> 00:40:02,800
yeah but it was almost it was a it was a

1074
00:40:06,550 --> 00:40:04,800
it was a dark color and it wasn't a

1075
00:40:09,510 --> 00:40:06,560
solid solid black well i mean it could

1076
00:40:11,430 --> 00:40:09,520
have been but i was so far away um

1077
00:40:13,750 --> 00:40:11,440
and like you said it just was hovering

1078
00:40:15,670 --> 00:40:13,760
there it didn't move it didn't go for

1079
00:40:17,670 --> 00:40:15,680
like so i will say like when i was going

1080
00:40:19,109 --> 00:40:17,680
up the mountain on my way up towards the

1081
00:40:20,870 --> 00:40:19,119
mountain i just see a hot air balloon in

1082
00:40:22,230 --> 00:40:20,880
the air so my first thought when i saw

1083
00:40:27,430 --> 00:40:22,240
this thing was that must be a hot air

1084
00:40:31,990 --> 00:40:29,910
angular um and it wasn't moving it was

1085
00:40:34,550 --> 00:40:32,000
not drifting up down

1086
00:40:37,109 --> 00:40:34,560
right or left it just was there and then

1087
00:40:39,270 --> 00:40:37,119
slowly faded away that's all

1088
00:40:42,150 --> 00:40:39,280
that does sound and so the voice you're

1089
00:40:44,630 --> 00:40:42,160
hearing right there is uh carlene of

1090
00:40:47,430 --> 00:40:44,640
roots and wings hypnosis uh karlene

1091
00:40:50,390 --> 00:40:47,440
linksweiler and my uh my co-host tonight

1092
00:40:52,630 --> 00:40:50,400
of course is uh for calling all beings

1093
00:40:56,150 --> 00:40:52,640
is at a waif soul

1094
00:40:58,470 --> 00:40:56,160
on twitter his name is nathan and uh we

1095
00:40:59,750 --> 00:40:58,480
are calling all beings and that's the

1096
00:41:02,710 --> 00:40:59,760
launch

1097
00:41:05,430 --> 00:41:02,720
of our new podcast together we've done

1098
00:41:07,349 --> 00:41:05,440
several episodes prior under our prior

1099
00:41:09,030 --> 00:41:07,359
name and uh we're honored to have

1100
00:41:12,150 --> 00:41:09,040
carlene with us this evening and you

1101
00:41:14,150 --> 00:41:12,160
guys can see that i can be serious okay

1102
00:41:16,550 --> 00:41:14,160
maybe i wasn't serious just in saying

1103
00:41:18,069 --> 00:41:16,560
that uh but

1104
00:41:19,910 --> 00:41:18,079
one of the things that i that i find

1105
00:41:20,710 --> 00:41:19,920
really interesting is that as you can

1106
00:41:22,710 --> 00:41:20,720
see

1107
00:41:23,910 --> 00:41:22,720
right here carlene is extremely well

1108
00:41:26,870 --> 00:41:23,920
adjusted

1109
00:41:29,510 --> 00:41:26,880
with her experience and is not terribly

1110
00:41:33,270 --> 00:41:29,520
affected then you look at what we

1111
00:41:35,349 --> 00:41:33,280
associate with a macho man like uh that

1112
00:41:38,069 --> 00:41:35,359
in the navy like kevin day

1113
00:41:42,069 --> 00:41:38,079
who was enormously respected by his

1114
00:41:43,910 --> 00:41:42,079
shipmates um went was uh you know

1115
00:41:46,069 --> 00:41:43,920
basically selected to go to top gun

1116
00:41:47,589 --> 00:41:46,079
school as a radar operator something i

1117
00:41:49,030 --> 00:41:47,599
didn't even know they had in the navy

1118
00:41:52,550 --> 00:41:49,040
top gun program

1119
00:41:54,630 --> 00:41:52,560
and him seeing the tic tac

1120
00:41:56,390 --> 00:41:54,640
on his radar screen for several nights

1121
00:41:59,750 --> 00:41:56,400
in a row plus the

1122
00:42:02,870 --> 00:41:59,760
encounter he couldn't sleep he's had

1123
00:42:05,349 --> 00:42:02,880
issues he's been driven to tears talking

1124
00:42:08,550 --> 00:42:05,359
about it and yet carlene here our yoga

1125
00:42:11,190 --> 00:42:08,560
team yes right on camera nathan

1126
00:42:14,309 --> 00:42:11,200
yeah he was driven to tears if you watch

1127
00:42:16,150 --> 00:42:14,319
the showtime special and yet we have uh

1128
00:42:17,430 --> 00:42:16,160
carlene here that's extremely well

1129
00:42:18,950 --> 00:42:17,440
adjusted

1130
00:42:20,950 --> 00:42:18,960
maybe that's

1131
00:42:22,309 --> 00:42:20,960
would it be different if you saw it on a

1132
00:42:24,630 --> 00:42:22,319
radar screen

1133
00:42:27,190 --> 00:42:24,640
for a week straight

1134
00:42:29,349 --> 00:42:27,200
i think i think um

1135
00:42:31,750 --> 00:42:29,359
maybe somebody who's been not very

1136
00:42:33,510 --> 00:42:31,760
spiritually inclined would pro or

1137
00:42:35,109 --> 00:42:33,520
maybe educated about this kind of stuff

1138
00:42:36,390 --> 00:42:35,119
would definitely have some shell shock

1139
00:42:38,309 --> 00:42:36,400
from seeing something like that and

1140
00:42:40,950 --> 00:42:38,319
being like and trying to

1141
00:42:43,270 --> 00:42:40,960
um integrate that into his previous

1142
00:42:45,589 --> 00:42:43,280
experience of like what is this what is

1143
00:42:47,190 --> 00:42:45,599
this whereas i might have and this is

1144
00:42:48,069 --> 00:42:47,200
and this goes back to what nathan was

1145
00:42:50,630 --> 00:42:48,079
just saying

1146
00:42:52,470 --> 00:42:50,640
i was wary of sharing this story um and

1147
00:42:54,470 --> 00:42:52,480
i still kind of am now because maybe i'm

1148
00:42:57,829 --> 00:42:54,480
just being a seeker you know and i just

1149
00:42:58,870 --> 00:42:57,839
was seeking an experience um but my hope

1150
00:43:00,950 --> 00:42:58,880
is that

1151
00:43:02,790 --> 00:43:00,960
um i'm not going to be calling in these

1152
00:43:04,630 --> 00:43:02,800
experiences i think that they can

1153
00:43:06,470 --> 00:43:04,640
organically happen and if they keep

1154
00:43:07,430 --> 00:43:06,480
happening i will be accepting of that

1155
00:43:08,630 --> 00:43:07,440
you know

1156
00:43:11,190 --> 00:43:08,640
that's awesome

1157
00:43:12,470 --> 00:43:11,200
and can can you now for the audience

1158
00:43:14,550 --> 00:43:12,480
execute

1159
00:43:17,589 --> 00:43:14,560
anjali mudra so we can welcome in the

1160
00:43:18,630 --> 00:43:17,599
topic of anjali i don't think i know it

1161
00:43:21,109 --> 00:43:18,640
it's this

1162
00:43:24,230 --> 00:43:21,119
is that okay this is anjali mudra i was

1163
00:43:27,109 --> 00:43:24,240
like is this gonna be something no no

1164
00:43:30,550 --> 00:43:27,119
that's anjali mudra so

1165
00:43:32,230 --> 00:43:30,560
uh so boy uh nathan do you want to kick

1166
00:43:34,710 --> 00:43:32,240
this off or should we let carlene

1167
00:43:38,010 --> 00:43:34,720
because she was ready to like

1168
00:43:45,430 --> 00:43:38,020
she was ready to just fire with vocals

1169
00:43:46,710 --> 00:43:45,440
[Laughter]

1170
00:43:48,950 --> 00:43:46,720
all right so

1171
00:43:51,190 --> 00:43:48,960
this is a topic that has been uh kind of

1172
00:43:53,030 --> 00:43:51,200
a lightning rod topic in the last

1173
00:43:56,790 --> 00:43:53,040
several weeks in

1174
00:43:58,710 --> 00:43:56,800
ufo twitter and in ufological circles

1175
00:44:00,309 --> 00:43:58,720
um but it's it's something that has

1176
00:44:01,990 --> 00:44:00,319
happened

1177
00:44:04,790 --> 00:44:02,000
over and over again through the history

1178
00:44:06,870 --> 00:44:04,800
of ufology and that's where we have uh i

1179
00:44:10,630 --> 00:44:06,880
talked about spectrum earlier and we

1180
00:44:12,710 --> 00:44:10,640
have people who have had an experience

1181
00:44:14,550 --> 00:44:12,720
of something very profound that has

1182
00:44:17,190 --> 00:44:14,560
changed their life

1183
00:44:18,150 --> 00:44:17,200
but the experience itself

1184
00:44:20,230 --> 00:44:18,160
lacks

1185
00:44:22,710 --> 00:44:20,240
what most would say would be any kind of

1186
00:44:24,790 --> 00:44:22,720
substantial degree of evidence to back

1187
00:44:28,150 --> 00:44:24,800
up the claims that they're making

1188
00:44:30,150 --> 00:44:28,160
and this is where uh anjali the story of

1189
00:44:33,829 --> 00:44:30,160
anjali comes in she

1190
00:44:35,750 --> 00:44:33,839
claims to have had an experience

1191
00:44:37,750 --> 00:44:35,760
with higher beings i think that's the

1192
00:44:39,510 --> 00:44:37,760
phrase that she uses that have conveyed

1193
00:44:41,990 --> 00:44:39,520
a message to her

1194
00:44:43,829 --> 00:44:42,000
the message has is a mixture of good

1195
00:44:46,870 --> 00:44:43,839
things and bad things she claims to have

1196
00:44:49,270 --> 00:44:46,880
met these beings in a base

1197
00:44:50,950 --> 00:44:49,280
buried somehow in a mountain in the

1198
00:44:53,670 --> 00:44:50,960
mojave desert

1199
00:44:56,150 --> 00:44:53,680
and she recently uh in the last couple

1200
00:44:58,069 --> 00:44:56,160
of weeks did a press conference in front

1201
00:44:59,910 --> 00:44:58,079
of the lincoln memorial

1202
00:45:01,270 --> 00:44:59,920
uh where she announced that you know

1203
00:45:03,510 --> 00:45:01,280
really kind of coming out into the

1204
00:45:05,589 --> 00:45:03,520
public saying this is who she is this is

1205
00:45:07,829 --> 00:45:05,599
her real name her background and that

1206
00:45:08,710 --> 00:45:07,839
she's assembling a team of folks to join

1207
00:45:11,750 --> 00:45:08,720
her

1208
00:45:14,790 --> 00:45:11,760
going back into the mojave and to this

1209
00:45:17,430 --> 00:45:14,800
uh tunnel that leads to this base to

1210
00:45:18,950 --> 00:45:17,440
create and and present and and obtain

1211
00:45:21,589 --> 00:45:18,960
the proof that

1212
00:45:22,870 --> 00:45:21,599
uh everyone is is clamoring for and this

1213
00:45:25,510 --> 00:45:22,880
you know this issue is interesting

1214
00:45:27,349 --> 00:45:25,520
because it it it's dividing a lot of

1215
00:45:30,230 --> 00:45:27,359
folks in the community some are very

1216
00:45:31,829 --> 00:45:30,240
vocal about um calling out uh

1217
00:45:33,750 --> 00:45:31,839
her story and saying you know there's

1218
00:45:35,349 --> 00:45:33,760
nothing to this this is not

1219
00:45:37,109 --> 00:45:35,359
you know there's it's not real we

1220
00:45:39,270 --> 00:45:37,119
shouldn't even be giving this person air

1221
00:45:41,030 --> 00:45:39,280
time and there are others that are

1222
00:45:42,790 --> 00:45:41,040
you know hey let's let her have her

1223
00:45:45,349 --> 00:45:42,800
space like let's not come out too hard

1224
00:45:47,670 --> 00:45:45,359
against her and let let's wait and see

1225
00:45:50,390 --> 00:45:47,680
kind of how the how the chips fall and

1226
00:45:53,030 --> 00:45:50,400
at that point then we'll weigh in and so

1227
00:45:55,109 --> 00:45:53,040
i i myself have not come to any firm

1228
00:45:56,950 --> 00:45:55,119
conclusions i'm very much um an

1229
00:45:59,510 --> 00:45:56,960
open-minded kind of person and i don't

1230
00:46:01,349 --> 00:45:59,520
feel it's my place to

1231
00:46:03,589 --> 00:46:01,359
necessarily you know come out hard one

1232
00:46:04,950 --> 00:46:03,599
way or the other i i'm fascinated by the

1233
00:46:07,190 --> 00:46:04,960
claims and i think

1234
00:46:08,950 --> 00:46:07,200
the sort of romantic inside of me really

1235
00:46:10,870 --> 00:46:08,960
wants these things to be

1236
00:46:12,790 --> 00:46:10,880
real like wants this to be

1237
00:46:14,870 --> 00:46:12,800
exactly as she describes because i think

1238
00:46:17,270 --> 00:46:14,880
it's a beautiful message

1239
00:46:19,349 --> 00:46:17,280
uh that that she has shared but the

1240
00:46:21,670 --> 00:46:19,359
skeptical side of me is like yeah but

1241
00:46:23,349 --> 00:46:21,680
we've heard this kind of story before uh

1242
00:46:24,230 --> 00:46:23,359
over and over again and how will this

1243
00:46:26,230 --> 00:46:24,240
time

1244
00:46:27,430 --> 00:46:26,240
uh be any different so anyway i've set

1245
00:46:28,710 --> 00:46:27,440
the table there a little bit with the

1246
00:46:32,069 --> 00:46:28,720
story what what are your thoughts on

1247
00:46:36,390 --> 00:46:35,030
dj or me oh yeah yeah no

1248
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:36,400
you're already i listen to him all the

1249
00:46:40,870 --> 00:46:36,770
time

1250
00:46:42,950 --> 00:46:40,880
[Laughter]

1251
00:46:45,910 --> 00:46:42,960
so obviously there's a lot of layers

1252
00:46:47,910 --> 00:46:45,920
there's a lot to peel back on this um

1253
00:46:50,470 --> 00:46:47,920
i definitely my first initial reaction

1254
00:46:52,309 --> 00:46:50,480
was i go to read the comments first um

1255
00:46:54,390 --> 00:46:52,319
as i'm listening to it i'm like what are

1256
00:46:57,829 --> 00:46:54,400
people's reactions to this and

1257
00:46:59,349 --> 00:46:57,839
and this where this was posted um it had

1258
00:47:02,230 --> 00:46:59,359
and it was on youtube there's a lot of

1259
00:47:04,630 --> 00:47:02,240
negative comments disbelief um

1260
00:47:07,109 --> 00:47:04,640
and i was like i don't that wasn't my

1261
00:47:08,710 --> 00:47:07,119
feel on it i i and then i kind of

1262
00:47:10,470 --> 00:47:08,720
investigated her a little bit i needed

1263
00:47:12,630 --> 00:47:10,480
to physically see her i wanted to see

1264
00:47:14,309 --> 00:47:12,640
how she just even presented and held

1265
00:47:16,550 --> 00:47:14,319
herself i wanted to see what what her

1266
00:47:18,630 --> 00:47:16,560
work was what she'd done with her life

1267
00:47:21,270 --> 00:47:18,640
um and

1268
00:47:23,670 --> 00:47:21,280
this is somebody that you know i

1269
00:47:26,230 --> 00:47:23,680
on first glance i don't believe to be a

1270
00:47:28,390 --> 00:47:26,240
liar or a storyteller she seems pretty

1271
00:47:29,589 --> 00:47:28,400
coherent she seems very intelligent she

1272
00:47:32,069 --> 00:47:29,599
seems

1273
00:47:34,309 --> 00:47:32,079
she was very thorough in her details and

1274
00:47:37,510 --> 00:47:34,319
very much like trying to speak as

1275
00:47:39,109 --> 00:47:37,520
accurately as possible so

1276
00:47:43,109 --> 00:47:39,119
so she wouldn't be

1277
00:47:46,470 --> 00:47:43,119
you know um discredited and and

1278
00:47:49,430 --> 00:47:46,480
if she is making an effort to um

1279
00:47:52,309 --> 00:47:49,440
further investigate and open this up and

1280
00:47:54,069 --> 00:47:52,319
this is something that i think and call

1281
00:47:56,069 --> 00:47:54,079
me out if i'm wrong on this but i

1282
00:47:57,910 --> 00:47:56,079
believe she did say that these beings

1283
00:47:59,910 --> 00:47:57,920
did want her to meet them they did want

1284
00:48:01,750 --> 00:47:59,920
to meet her yes and that they do want

1285
00:48:03,510 --> 00:48:01,760
her to do this so that's where it

1286
00:48:05,510 --> 00:48:03,520
becomes kind of

1287
00:48:07,349 --> 00:48:05,520
almost mythological to me it's like well

1288
00:48:10,470 --> 00:48:07,359
why her and why

1289
00:48:13,829 --> 00:48:10,480
in this way and um

1290
00:48:14,870 --> 00:48:13,839
when they are so powerful and i mean

1291
00:48:19,270 --> 00:48:14,880
beyond

1292
00:48:20,549 --> 00:48:19,280
intelligent and i'm one i'm curious

1293
00:48:22,150 --> 00:48:20,559
because they're i don't know if they're

1294
00:48:23,430 --> 00:48:22,160
holes in the story so much as i just

1295
00:48:25,670 --> 00:48:23,440
have questions

1296
00:48:27,430 --> 00:48:25,680
and i like to keep an open mind um and

1297
00:48:29,510 --> 00:48:27,440
i'd like to see what happens let's wait

1298
00:48:31,990 --> 00:48:29,520
and see you know well let's talk about

1299
00:48:34,790 --> 00:48:32,000
her background really quickly and i i

1300
00:48:37,510 --> 00:48:34,800
just jotted down a little uh because if

1301
00:48:39,430 --> 00:48:37,520
there's a little bit of alphabet soup

1302
00:48:41,670 --> 00:48:39,440
associated with her

1303
00:48:44,630 --> 00:48:41,680
her uh bio on linkedin a lot of people

1304
00:48:46,710 --> 00:48:44,640
don't understand so io you'll see ioiw

1305
00:48:48,390 --> 00:48:46,720
so that means information operations

1306
00:48:49,990 --> 00:48:48,400
information warfare

1307
00:48:51,990 --> 00:48:50,000
that she was involved in from the intel

1308
00:48:53,990 --> 00:48:52,000
side of the house intelligence expert

1309
00:48:56,630 --> 00:48:54,000
then it says osint

1310
00:48:59,349 --> 00:48:56,640
which is um

1311
00:49:01,829 --> 00:48:59,359
online uh basically like social media

1312
00:49:03,990 --> 00:49:01,839
intelligence and osun is like open

1313
00:49:05,670 --> 00:49:04,000
source intelligence so she would be the

1314
00:49:07,910 --> 00:49:05,680
kind of person who

1315
00:49:09,349 --> 00:49:07,920
wouldn't who would be able to look at

1316
00:49:12,630 --> 00:49:09,359
open sources

1317
00:49:14,950 --> 00:49:12,640
and uh and analyze those and

1318
00:49:17,109 --> 00:49:14,960
use that information so you have other

1319
00:49:19,589 --> 00:49:17,119
people using different classified

1320
00:49:21,670 --> 00:49:19,599
methods they're they're um

1321
00:49:25,270 --> 00:49:21,680
looking at data that they got from a

1322
00:49:26,870 --> 00:49:25,280
drone or data they got from human like a

1323
00:49:28,710 --> 00:49:26,880
cia agent that's on the ground that

1324
00:49:30,710 --> 00:49:28,720
provides intelligence she's basically

1325
00:49:33,190 --> 00:49:30,720
using open source what you can surf on

1326
00:49:35,670 --> 00:49:33,200
the net and social media stuff that

1327
00:49:38,309 --> 00:49:35,680
people are posting and she's analyzing

1328
00:49:39,990 --> 00:49:38,319
that and and um obviously did it at a

1329
00:49:41,510 --> 00:49:40,000
very high level so that's that's her

1330
00:49:45,109 --> 00:49:41,520
background and

1331
00:49:47,829 --> 00:49:45,119
mr larkin i believe his name is is uh

1332
00:49:51,109 --> 00:49:47,839
nick larkin gregory nicholas larkin he's

1333
00:49:54,069 --> 00:49:51,119
the one who uh verified her identity and

1334
00:49:55,270 --> 00:49:54,079
her security clearance that she's legit

1335
00:49:57,190 --> 00:49:55,280
so

1336
00:49:58,470 --> 00:49:57,200
that's what lends a measure of

1337
00:50:01,990 --> 00:49:58,480
credibility

1338
00:50:05,430 --> 00:50:02,000
where if i said to you that she was

1339
00:50:07,750 --> 00:50:05,440
she had a healing center in

1340
00:50:09,349 --> 00:50:07,760
laguna beach you'd probably be less

1341
00:50:11,430 --> 00:50:09,359
likely to believe her

1342
00:50:12,549 --> 00:50:11,440
anything that she says about this topic

1343
00:50:13,349 --> 00:50:12,559
yeah sure

1344
00:50:14,230 --> 00:50:13,359
so

1345
00:50:24,230 --> 00:50:14,240
i

1346
00:50:25,349 --> 00:50:24,240
uh that uh

1347
00:50:26,549 --> 00:50:25,359
well

1348
00:50:28,470 --> 00:50:26,559
i want to believe that they're

1349
00:50:30,150 --> 00:50:28,480
contacting somebody because so many

1350
00:50:32,470 --> 00:50:30,160
people are talking about

1351
00:50:34,549 --> 00:50:32,480
beings that look very much

1352
00:50:36,630 --> 00:50:34,559
like what she says

1353
00:50:39,109 --> 00:50:36,640
so um

1354
00:50:41,030 --> 00:50:39,119
i would be intrigued enough that if i

1355
00:50:42,790 --> 00:50:41,040
were invited and i thought i wasn't

1356
00:50:47,030 --> 00:50:42,800
gonna lose my job

1357
00:50:48,309 --> 00:50:47,040
um i would i would go and accompany her

1358
00:50:50,470 --> 00:50:48,319
come with me

1359
00:50:52,230 --> 00:50:50,480
right well i was curious about that is

1360
00:50:54,630 --> 00:50:52,240
is anything going to stop her any

1361
00:50:56,870 --> 00:50:54,640
government group or entity going to stop

1362
00:50:58,950 --> 00:50:56,880
her she says no because they don't even

1363
00:51:00,470 --> 00:50:58,960
know they don't know where it is and

1364
00:51:02,710 --> 00:51:00,480
unless they're going to like tail her

1365
00:51:04,630 --> 00:51:02,720
which they probably are right if they

1366
00:51:06,390 --> 00:51:04,640
believe that she's credible

1367
00:51:08,309 --> 00:51:06,400
um i don't think they're going to stop

1368
00:51:11,190 --> 00:51:08,319
her she just doesn't want military there

1369
00:51:13,190 --> 00:51:11,200
but let's go over the parts of her story

1370
00:51:14,870 --> 00:51:13,200
that you find believable and not

1371
00:51:17,990 --> 00:51:14,880
believable or what

1372
00:51:19,670 --> 00:51:18,000
um take us through from

1373
00:51:21,670 --> 00:51:19,680
the if there's anything about first of

1374
00:51:23,510 --> 00:51:21,680
all let's just start chronology is there

1375
00:51:25,190 --> 00:51:23,520
anything about the coffee shop that you

1376
00:51:26,630 --> 00:51:25,200
find interesting carlene and then we'll

1377
00:51:29,270 --> 00:51:26,640
go to nathan

1378
00:51:31,510 --> 00:51:29,280
i didn't i didn't think so um

1379
00:51:33,190 --> 00:51:31,520
i mean like i guess it could sound a

1380
00:51:35,030 --> 00:51:33,200
little farfetched to some people that

1381
00:51:36,870 --> 00:51:35,040
she just met up happened to meet these

1382
00:51:38,630 --> 00:51:36,880
people and they happen to be like hey

1383
00:51:40,150 --> 00:51:38,640
let's talk about aliens hey we happen to

1384
00:51:41,910 --> 00:51:40,160
have some aliens if you want to come

1385
00:51:43,990 --> 00:51:41,920
show we'll come show you some aliens

1386
00:51:46,150 --> 00:51:44,000
right now and she was like yeah i'll go

1387
00:51:47,990 --> 00:51:46,160
with you but she talks about how she did

1388
00:51:49,750 --> 00:51:48,000
take precautions she got their

1389
00:51:51,270 --> 00:51:49,760
information and shared it with her i

1390
00:51:52,230 --> 00:51:51,280
think her immediate family was like

1391
00:51:53,829 --> 00:51:52,240
listen

1392
00:51:55,990 --> 00:51:53,839
i'm going into the desert if i don't

1393
00:51:57,589 --> 00:51:56,000
come back tomorrow i'm with these people

1394
00:51:58,790 --> 00:51:57,599
and this is what happened

1395
00:52:00,790 --> 00:51:58,800
um

1396
00:52:03,510 --> 00:52:00,800
and then i think down the road if i can

1397
00:52:05,589 --> 00:52:03,520
skip ahead she does mention that one of

1398
00:52:07,430 --> 00:52:05,599
those beings said that they had

1399
00:52:09,829 --> 00:52:07,440
coordinated that those

1400
00:52:11,750 --> 00:52:09,839
people would reach out to her and find

1401
00:52:13,990 --> 00:52:11,760
her there's no doubt because she said

1402
00:52:16,390 --> 00:52:14,000
she already saw that lavender being

1403
00:52:18,549 --> 00:52:16,400
uh in her house or something nathan

1404
00:52:21,829 --> 00:52:18,559
coffee shop

1405
00:52:27,270 --> 00:52:25,349
it's a great setup right um

1406
00:52:28,870 --> 00:52:27,280
the the

1407
00:52:30,630 --> 00:52:28,880
it you know you can look at that and go

1408
00:52:33,589 --> 00:52:30,640
oh this is kind of odd and a strange

1409
00:52:35,589 --> 00:52:33,599
sort of set of circumstances but

1410
00:52:37,190 --> 00:52:35,599
you know that that's how life is right

1411
00:52:40,150 --> 00:52:37,200
it's sort of a series of strange things

1412
00:52:42,069 --> 00:52:40,160
that happen to us and and we

1413
00:52:44,549 --> 00:52:42,079
you know kind of fall into certain

1414
00:52:46,549 --> 00:52:44,559
experiences and and we

1415
00:52:48,870 --> 00:52:46,559
attribute those experiences to kind of

1416
00:52:50,549 --> 00:52:48,880
happenstance you know like we don't

1417
00:52:52,790 --> 00:52:50,559
necessarily plan to do a certain thing

1418
00:52:54,069 --> 00:52:52,800
or plan to meet a certain person but one

1419
00:52:55,510 --> 00:52:54,079
day you'll meet a person and that person

1420
00:52:58,710 --> 00:52:55,520
will change your life

1421
00:53:01,030 --> 00:52:58,720
um and you know so it it there's a

1422
00:53:04,549 --> 00:53:01,040
degree of credibility to this sort of

1423
00:53:05,670 --> 00:53:04,559
to the randomness of this encounter

1424
00:53:07,990 --> 00:53:05,680
that i think

1425
00:53:09,109 --> 00:53:08,000
makes the story very compelling

1426
00:53:11,430 --> 00:53:09,119
um

1427
00:53:12,630 --> 00:53:11,440
i mean when i hear her talk and and uh

1428
00:53:14,309 --> 00:53:12,640
and i've watched a couple of the

1429
00:53:17,750 --> 00:53:14,319
interviews and i do follow her on

1430
00:53:18,630 --> 00:53:17,760
twitter and i follow her on reddit

1431
00:53:22,790 --> 00:53:18,640
um

1432
00:53:24,470 --> 00:53:22,800
it's hard to say that she's not genuine

1433
00:53:26,069 --> 00:53:24,480
you know she seems to be a very genuine

1434
00:53:28,470 --> 00:53:26,079
person

1435
00:53:30,230 --> 00:53:28,480
and she speaks speaks very well and and

1436
00:53:32,950 --> 00:53:30,240
i think is a very

1437
00:53:35,510 --> 00:53:32,960
um compassionate person and is very um

1438
00:53:37,109 --> 00:53:35,520
polite and uh and treats people with

1439
00:53:39,109 --> 00:53:37,119
dignity which is something that i

1440
00:53:40,470 --> 00:53:39,119
resonate with you know to me how you

1441
00:53:42,710 --> 00:53:40,480
treat a person

1442
00:53:44,390 --> 00:53:42,720
is more important than what you know

1443
00:53:45,990 --> 00:53:44,400
um and so

1444
00:53:48,470 --> 00:53:46,000
you know just seeing how she treats

1445
00:53:51,990 --> 00:53:48,480
people and the things that she is trying

1446
00:53:55,270 --> 00:53:52,000
to do uh by adding kind of transparency

1447
00:53:56,710 --> 00:53:55,280
and uh responding to her critics

1448
00:53:59,430 --> 00:53:56,720
with i think

1449
00:54:01,190 --> 00:53:59,440
a pretty kind of kind hand rather than

1450
00:54:03,270 --> 00:54:01,200
you know like a returned slap or

1451
00:54:06,230 --> 00:54:03,280
whatever all the all those things are

1452
00:54:08,309 --> 00:54:06,240
good signs for me that at least

1453
00:54:09,589 --> 00:54:08,319
uh if this was gonna if this is a real

1454
00:54:11,829 --> 00:54:09,599
thing this is the kind of person that

1455
00:54:15,670 --> 00:54:11,839
would want to you know to give this a go

1456
00:54:17,910 --> 00:54:15,680
and and and reveal this greater truth to

1457
00:54:20,710 --> 00:54:17,920
the world but at the same time you know

1458
00:54:23,030 --> 00:54:20,720
i'm fully cognizant of the fact that

1459
00:54:25,030 --> 00:54:23,040
there's so much wrapped up in this topic

1460
00:54:27,510 --> 00:54:25,040
right there's so much of our human sort

1461
00:54:28,790 --> 00:54:27,520
of hopes and fears and

1462
00:54:30,470 --> 00:54:28,800
you know anxieties and everything

1463
00:54:31,670 --> 00:54:30,480
wrapped up in ufology and that's why a

1464
00:54:33,270 --> 00:54:31,680
lot of people you know we had a whole

1465
00:54:36,230 --> 00:54:33,280
show on this uh

1466
00:54:37,589 --> 00:54:36,240
dj with uh exo academia recently

1467
00:54:39,750 --> 00:54:37,599
and how

1468
00:54:41,510 --> 00:54:39,760
yeah i mean great guys so academia and

1469
00:54:43,030 --> 00:54:41,520
you got to hear that one girlfriend it

1470
00:54:45,349 --> 00:54:43,040
was a great great show but talking about

1471
00:54:47,030 --> 00:54:45,359
religion and and the the components and

1472
00:54:50,470 --> 00:54:47,040
aspects of religion and religious

1473
00:54:53,109 --> 00:54:50,480
experience that bleed over into into

1474
00:54:55,910 --> 00:54:53,119
ufology and sort of the various

1475
00:54:58,069 --> 00:54:55,920
uh circles of ufology and the phenomena

1476
00:54:59,510 --> 00:54:58,079
like it's it's a human thing you know if

1477
00:55:02,069 --> 00:54:59,520
we could reduce this down to something

1478
00:55:05,270 --> 00:55:02,079
simple it's human to believe

1479
00:55:07,750 --> 00:55:05,280
in in in fantastical things like the

1480
00:55:10,630 --> 00:55:07,760
power of our imagination is what has

1481
00:55:12,069 --> 00:55:10,640
created our entire society you know it's

1482
00:55:14,150 --> 00:55:12,079
it's like a superpower that we we

1483
00:55:16,390 --> 00:55:14,160
possess and we can go you know into that

1484
00:55:18,230 --> 00:55:16,400
more deep deeply later if we need to but

1485
00:55:20,309 --> 00:55:18,240
you know all that being said

1486
00:55:21,750 --> 00:55:20,319
you know when people read this story

1487
00:55:24,069 --> 00:55:21,760
from anjali

1488
00:55:26,549 --> 00:55:24,079
you know they're laying on to that story

1489
00:55:29,270 --> 00:55:26,559
all of all of their personal hopes

1490
00:55:31,589 --> 00:55:29,280
dreams desires wishes etc and that's

1491
00:55:33,670 --> 00:55:31,599
super duper powerful like the power of

1492
00:55:36,150 --> 00:55:33,680
that motivation

1493
00:55:37,829 --> 00:55:36,160
is so compelling that it can blind

1494
00:55:41,349 --> 00:55:37,839
people and has blinded people through

1495
00:55:43,430 --> 00:55:41,359
history to uh frauds and grifters and

1496
00:55:44,710 --> 00:55:43,440
people that take you know advantage of

1497
00:55:47,109 --> 00:55:44,720
others and abuse people and all that

1498
00:55:50,309 --> 00:55:47,119
kind of thing nathan can i jump in here

1499
00:55:52,789 --> 00:55:50,319
sure i'm still back at carmel macchiato

1500
00:55:55,030 --> 00:55:52,799
and you're already

1501
00:55:57,750 --> 00:55:55,040
you already skipped past seeing the

1502
00:55:59,589 --> 00:55:57,760
beings to the analysis of it and i'm at

1503
00:56:02,470 --> 00:55:59,599
carmel macchiato

1504
00:56:04,230 --> 00:56:02,480
so uh and by the way do you do you like

1505
00:56:07,030 --> 00:56:04,240
uh do you take carmel or any of those

1506
00:56:09,510 --> 00:56:07,040
syrups in your coffee carleen i don't i

1507
00:56:11,270 --> 00:56:09,520
know i actually switched over to um like

1508
00:56:14,870 --> 00:56:11,280
mushroom coffee

1509
00:56:17,589 --> 00:56:14,880
oh nice get that that reishi coffee man

1510
00:56:18,630 --> 00:56:17,599
uh but anyway

1511
00:56:22,150 --> 00:56:18,640
um

1512
00:56:25,190 --> 00:56:22,160
i it wasn't serendipitous that these

1513
00:56:27,430 --> 00:56:25,200
people showed up in in her estimation

1514
00:56:29,270 --> 00:56:27,440
because of the fact that she had seen

1515
00:56:31,109 --> 00:56:29,280
this very same being

1516
00:56:33,750 --> 00:56:31,119
i don't remember she said it was at her

1517
00:56:35,750 --> 00:56:33,760
home where it appeared to her as this

1518
00:56:37,670 --> 00:56:35,760
tall lavender being or if it was at the

1519
00:56:39,190 --> 00:56:37,680
hospital i can't remember i know the

1520
00:56:41,510 --> 00:56:39,200
thing she had at the hospital was the

1521
00:56:43,670 --> 00:56:41,520
woman next door to her that had passed

1522
00:56:45,190 --> 00:56:43,680
and then her soul had meandered into the

1523
00:56:47,109 --> 00:56:45,200
room i don't know if you've heard that

1524
00:56:49,349 --> 00:56:47,119
one but that's the other podcast i sent

1525
00:56:51,589 --> 00:56:49,359
you carlene the one with that one does

1526
00:56:53,430 --> 00:56:51,599
not sound familiar yeah roderick when

1527
00:56:57,270 --> 00:56:53,440
you listen to the first roderick martin

1528
00:57:00,230 --> 00:56:57,280
you'll hear uh where uh but anyway

1529
00:57:04,549 --> 00:57:00,240
so it wasn't serendipity it was she

1530
00:57:06,309 --> 00:57:04,559
believes it was planned uh based on

1531
00:57:08,630 --> 00:57:06,319
the fact that she had already seen that

1532
00:57:11,109 --> 00:57:08,640
being and that being has communicated

1533
00:57:13,349 --> 00:57:11,119
with her after the fact about the people

1534
00:57:15,589 --> 00:57:13,359
that they do want and don't want to come

1535
00:57:17,670 --> 00:57:15,599
out there with her so i'm sure that

1536
00:57:19,270 --> 00:57:17,680
probably there's a significant

1537
00:57:20,950 --> 00:57:19,280
percentage of this

1538
00:57:23,270 --> 00:57:20,960
is that

1539
00:57:25,750 --> 00:57:23,280
uh like just to let you guys know where

1540
00:57:27,750 --> 00:57:25,760
i'm coming from when i heard this i had

1541
00:57:29,670 --> 00:57:27,760
to like contact nathan right and what

1542
00:57:31,510 --> 00:57:29,680
did i say nathan

1543
00:57:33,829 --> 00:57:31,520
what's this about yeah tell me about

1544
00:57:35,910 --> 00:57:33,839
this story yeah like i had no i had no

1545
00:57:38,309 --> 00:57:35,920
idea i wasn't tracking it i thought it

1546
00:57:40,150 --> 00:57:38,319
was just another person that supposedly

1547
00:57:42,710 --> 00:57:40,160
had an experience and some of them i

1548
00:57:44,470 --> 00:57:42,720
find very credible like travis walton

1549
00:57:47,109 --> 00:57:44,480
and some of them are probably less

1550
00:57:49,829 --> 00:57:47,119
credible but um so i didn't even

1551
00:57:52,710 --> 00:57:49,839
investigate it and as soon as i started

1552
00:57:55,349 --> 00:57:52,720
to listen to her and read her background

1553
00:57:57,349 --> 00:57:55,359
and read the fact that that nick has

1554
00:57:59,270 --> 00:57:57,359
verified her credentials

1555
00:58:02,950 --> 00:57:59,280
that her her clearance that it's

1556
00:58:05,030 --> 00:58:02,960
legitimate it's not just a fake um

1557
00:58:07,430 --> 00:58:05,040
linkedin account etc

1558
00:58:10,150 --> 00:58:07,440
then i started to become intrigued and

1559
00:58:12,390 --> 00:58:10,160
so there is a probably a high percentage

1560
00:58:14,230 --> 00:58:12,400
of me that just wants to believe this

1561
00:58:16,150 --> 00:58:14,240
but i would actually i would actually go

1562
00:58:17,030 --> 00:58:16,160
there and check it out if i thought i

1563
00:58:18,870 --> 00:58:17,040
could

1564
00:58:20,710 --> 00:58:18,880
again that i wouldn't get fired what's

1565
00:58:22,549 --> 00:58:20,720
the timeline of her getting down there

1566
00:58:26,390 --> 00:58:22,559
and revealing this by the end of the

1567
00:58:28,150 --> 00:58:26,400
year december 31st pretty soon

1568
00:58:30,150 --> 00:58:28,160
but i would just suspect sooner because

1569
00:58:31,109 --> 00:58:30,160
it's going to get cold in the desert

1570
00:58:34,549 --> 00:58:31,119
you know

1571
00:58:36,789 --> 00:58:34,559
uh as time goes on bring it on yeah all

1572
00:58:38,950 --> 00:58:36,799
right i mean sure i prefer the cold but

1573
00:58:40,390 --> 00:58:38,960
uh i i guess carlene one one thought i

1574
00:58:42,470 --> 00:58:40,400
want to get from you

1575
00:58:43,349 --> 00:58:42,480
uh on this topic

1576
00:58:44,870 --> 00:58:43,359
is

1577
00:58:47,030 --> 00:58:44,880
you know i'm sure through your

1578
00:58:49,670 --> 00:58:47,040
hypnotherapy sessions you've heard a lot

1579
00:58:50,390 --> 00:58:49,680
of things a lot of interesting things

1580
00:58:52,390 --> 00:58:50,400
and

1581
00:58:53,510 --> 00:58:52,400
um

1582
00:58:55,190 --> 00:58:53,520
you know

1583
00:58:58,230 --> 00:58:55,200
tell us a little bit about how you kind

1584
00:58:59,670 --> 00:58:58,240
of weigh the claims of what your patient

1585
00:59:01,990 --> 00:58:59,680
is saying

1586
00:59:03,349 --> 00:59:02,000
versus you know what you believe to be

1587
00:59:06,069 --> 00:59:03,359
true yourself you know how do you

1588
00:59:08,950 --> 00:59:06,079
balance those things or do you not

1589
00:59:12,150 --> 00:59:08,960
i would say that um oh boy that's that's

1590
00:59:14,069 --> 00:59:12,160
big so it's a very case-by-case basis

1591
00:59:16,150 --> 00:59:14,079
for sure and like how we kind of just

1592
00:59:18,630 --> 00:59:16,160
kind of analyze this woman for a while

1593
00:59:21,430 --> 00:59:18,640
and we're like does she seem

1594
00:59:24,710 --> 00:59:21,440
to be credible um or does she seem to be

1595
00:59:26,150 --> 00:59:24,720
a storyteller um so sometimes when

1596
00:59:27,510 --> 00:59:26,160
you're dealing with hypnosis and you're

1597
00:59:29,990 --> 00:59:27,520
dealing with psychological you're

1598
00:59:31,270 --> 00:59:30,000
dealing with the mind so sometimes

1599
00:59:33,349 --> 00:59:31,280
people

1600
00:59:35,510 --> 00:59:33,359
and i've done this too you think you had

1601
00:59:38,549 --> 00:59:35,520
an experience or you think

1602
00:59:41,030 --> 00:59:38,559
that some being is talking to you or

1603
00:59:43,030 --> 00:59:41,040
through you or controlling you or

1604
00:59:44,390 --> 00:59:43,040
attached to you like i mean i'm probably

1605
00:59:46,630 --> 00:59:44,400
going a little bit off left field but

1606
00:59:49,349 --> 00:59:46,640
these are things people do get into

1607
00:59:51,750 --> 00:59:49,359
and there's a part of me now i'm not a

1608
00:59:53,670 --> 00:59:51,760
psychologist i'm not a therapist so i'm

1609
00:59:57,430 --> 00:59:53,680
not here to analyze those pieces for

1610
00:59:59,349 --> 00:59:57,440
them right um if you do have some kind

1611
01:00:01,109 --> 00:59:59,359
of mental

1612
01:00:05,030 --> 01:00:01,119
you know um

1613
01:00:07,109 --> 01:00:05,040
let's say you have a reason to develop

1614
01:00:08,710 --> 01:00:07,119
an entity inside of you that you are

1615
01:00:10,309 --> 01:00:08,720
going to decide is going to speak to you

1616
01:00:11,829 --> 01:00:10,319
and it's an all-powerful being from

1617
01:00:14,549 --> 01:00:11,839
another planet

1618
01:00:16,390 --> 01:00:14,559
and then and under hypnosis i will you

1619
01:00:18,150 --> 01:00:16,400
know facilitate communication with that

1620
01:00:19,990 --> 01:00:18,160
being um

1621
01:00:22,069 --> 01:00:20,000
there's a discernment you have to come

1622
01:00:24,710 --> 01:00:22,079
into and the discernment is what is this

1623
01:00:26,789 --> 01:00:24,720
person's you know stuff

1624
01:00:29,030 --> 01:00:26,799
um what is their you know kind of

1625
01:00:30,950 --> 01:00:29,040
history and i'm not here to analyze

1626
01:00:33,349 --> 01:00:30,960
people when they're doing a hypnotic

1627
01:00:35,030 --> 01:00:33,359
session and i'm facilitating and whether

1628
01:00:36,789 --> 01:00:35,040
or not we're talking to a pleiadian or

1629
01:00:39,109 --> 01:00:36,799
we're talking to the galactic i've had

1630
01:00:40,870 --> 01:00:39,119
people like be very adamant like well

1631
01:00:42,549 --> 01:00:40,880
i'm an arcturian and i want to have an

1632
01:00:43,910 --> 01:00:42,559
actuarian experience i want to see mark

1633
01:00:45,990 --> 01:00:43,920
terry and family

1634
01:00:48,470 --> 01:00:46,000
okay fine that's their reality i'm not

1635
01:00:50,549 --> 01:00:48,480
going to question their personal reality

1636
01:00:52,470 --> 01:00:50,559
um so when i when we're doing a hypnotic

1637
01:00:54,309 --> 01:00:52,480
session they will see you know maybe a

1638
01:00:55,910 --> 01:00:54,319
mantis being like that's happened before

1639
01:00:58,309 --> 01:00:55,920
or maybe they're channeling something or

1640
01:01:01,030 --> 01:00:58,319
maybe they're seeing a big gray and

1641
01:01:01,990 --> 01:01:01,040
i had one time a gray like be yelling at

1642
01:01:03,510 --> 01:01:02,000
me

1643
01:01:05,190 --> 01:01:03,520
and i was just like

1644
01:01:07,510 --> 01:01:05,200
okay

1645
01:01:09,589 --> 01:01:07,520
and and so you have to act you have to

1646
01:01:11,430 --> 01:01:09,599
add some discernment in there of like

1647
01:01:14,230 --> 01:01:11,440
are we interacting with something that

1648
01:01:16,069 --> 01:01:14,240
is intergalactic interdimensional or

1649
01:01:18,309 --> 01:01:16,079
paranormal or are we interacting with

1650
01:01:21,030 --> 01:01:18,319
somebody's um the word is i'm going to

1651
01:01:22,390 --> 01:01:21,040
use a psychosis or just their just their

1652
01:01:23,910 --> 01:01:22,400
mental state

1653
01:01:25,030 --> 01:01:23,920
so you have to be able to discern that

1654
01:01:27,270 --> 01:01:25,040
and that's what we're trying to do with

1655
01:01:29,270 --> 01:01:27,280
this situation too is this person a

1656
01:01:31,990 --> 01:01:29,280
storyteller or is she

1657
01:01:33,510 --> 01:01:32,000
legitimate you know and um

1658
01:01:36,829 --> 01:01:33,520
i kind of went on a tangent on that on

1659
01:01:39,190 --> 01:01:36,839
you nathan but i think i answered your

1660
01:01:41,349 --> 01:01:39,200
questions it's a great answer and and

1661
01:01:42,470 --> 01:01:41,359
and i want to sort of go from from there

1662
01:01:43,670 --> 01:01:42,480
to here

1663
01:01:45,030 --> 01:01:43,680
and the

1664
01:01:47,910 --> 01:01:45,040
and here is

1665
01:01:48,710 --> 01:01:47,920
does it necessarily even matter you know

1666
01:01:50,710 --> 01:01:48,720
so

1667
01:01:52,150 --> 01:01:50,720
uh yeah

1668
01:01:54,630 --> 01:01:52,160
right so does it matter it's their

1669
01:01:55,910 --> 01:01:54,640
reality it is right and and

1670
01:02:00,390 --> 01:01:55,920
we

1671
01:02:02,230 --> 01:02:00,400
wake up and

1672
01:02:03,750 --> 01:02:02,240
move through the world

1673
01:02:06,150 --> 01:02:03,760
in a way that

1674
01:02:08,230 --> 01:02:06,160
fits within the the the narrative we've

1675
01:02:10,549 --> 01:02:08,240
built around it you know so

1676
01:02:12,549 --> 01:02:10,559
when when we're born we're we're all

1677
01:02:14,470 --> 01:02:12,559
here on this on the show you know born

1678
01:02:16,470 --> 01:02:14,480
in the west and and grew up in a western

1679
01:02:18,630 --> 01:02:16,480
culture and you know we navigate the

1680
01:02:21,589 --> 01:02:18,640
world through that lens

1681
01:02:24,549 --> 01:02:21,599
of uh what is normal not normal all the

1682
01:02:26,309 --> 01:02:24,559
all those things are dictated to us by

1683
01:02:27,589 --> 01:02:26,319
the culture that we've sort of find

1684
01:02:28,549 --> 01:02:27,599
ourselves

1685
01:02:30,710 --> 01:02:28,559
and

1686
01:02:33,029 --> 01:02:30,720
that's not an absolute thing there's no

1687
01:02:35,510 --> 01:02:33,039
absolute you know uh

1688
01:02:37,029 --> 01:02:35,520
normative or non-normative uh you know

1689
01:02:38,309 --> 01:02:37,039
kind of way to take your tea in the

1690
01:02:39,029 --> 01:02:38,319
morning you know there are things that

1691
01:02:41,109 --> 01:02:39,039
we

1692
01:02:42,950 --> 01:02:41,119
have come to believe are acceptable ways

1693
01:02:46,390 --> 01:02:42,960
to do that and not acceptable ways to do

1694
01:02:47,510 --> 01:02:46,400
that and so we we all have to live in

1695
01:02:48,630 --> 01:02:47,520
harmony

1696
01:02:51,029 --> 01:02:48,640
with

1697
01:02:53,109 --> 01:02:51,039
our beliefs you know we if if we weren't

1698
01:02:54,710 --> 01:02:53,119
doing that we would lose our minds we'd

1699
01:02:56,390 --> 01:02:54,720
have psychotic breaks all the time you

1700
01:02:58,390 --> 01:02:56,400
know if we weren't able to kind of move

1701
01:03:00,950 --> 01:02:58,400
through life and harmonize our

1702
01:03:03,589 --> 01:03:00,960
experiences so that they don't

1703
01:03:05,270 --> 01:03:03,599
break our house apart

1704
01:03:06,710 --> 01:03:05,280
then we wouldn't be able to function

1705
01:03:08,309 --> 01:03:06,720
right and so

1706
01:03:10,470 --> 01:03:08,319
i think that

1707
01:03:11,430 --> 01:03:10,480
a lot of these experiences whether

1708
01:03:13,990 --> 01:03:11,440
they're

1709
01:03:16,150 --> 01:03:14,000
real or not real as you pointed out

1710
01:03:18,549 --> 01:03:16,160
carlene i think that's a very gracious

1711
01:03:19,910 --> 01:03:18,559
way to interact with with anyone it's

1712
01:03:22,230 --> 01:03:19,920
real to them

1713
01:03:23,990 --> 01:03:22,240
and yeah but it means something to them

1714
01:03:25,589 --> 01:03:24,000
now where i do take issue and before i

1715
01:03:29,029 --> 01:03:25,599
before you before you speak where i do

1716
01:03:31,670 --> 01:03:29,039
take issue is if you bring other people

1717
01:03:33,750 --> 01:03:31,680
into your

1718
01:03:36,309 --> 01:03:33,760
that's the difference that's the

1719
01:03:40,069 --> 01:03:38,069
yeah this is not somebody who just went

1720
01:03:41,670 --> 01:03:40,079
to carlene and said hey i want to have a

1721
01:03:43,990 --> 01:03:41,680
hypnosis this is someone who's saying i

1722
01:03:46,630 --> 01:03:44,000
want to have a national press conference

1723
01:03:48,789 --> 01:03:46,640
and then lead a team that that's not a

1724
01:03:50,710 --> 01:03:48,799
person

1725
01:03:53,349 --> 01:03:50,720
and that's exactly where her detractors

1726
01:03:55,190 --> 01:03:53,359
are coming at her but you know that she

1727
01:03:57,190 --> 01:03:55,200
shouldn't be doing this because

1728
01:03:58,549 --> 01:03:57,200
they've there are so many examples of

1729
01:03:59,750 --> 01:03:58,559
people taking advantage of others like

1730
01:04:01,589 --> 01:03:59,760
this in the past

1731
01:04:03,670 --> 01:04:01,599
but she's no wait a minute she's not

1732
01:04:05,829 --> 01:04:03,680
taking advantage of anybody well we'll

1733
01:04:07,670 --> 01:04:05,839
go back to you we'll go we'll go back

1734
01:04:09,829 --> 01:04:07,680
there

1735
01:04:12,470 --> 01:04:09,839
that doesn't matter we'll go back to tic

1736
01:04:14,710 --> 01:04:12,480
tac you can choose to believe or you can

1737
01:04:16,789 --> 01:04:14,720
choose not to believe i'm not here to

1738
01:04:19,510 --> 01:04:16,799
convince you to believe or not to

1739
01:04:21,349 --> 01:04:19,520
believe do what you want to do right she

1740
01:04:23,589 --> 01:04:21,359
has made it an issue

1741
01:04:26,069 --> 01:04:23,599
larger than somebody that goes to

1742
01:04:28,230 --> 01:04:26,079
carlene and goes which i by the way if

1743
01:04:30,230 --> 01:04:28,240
carlene was local i would be doing about

1744
01:04:33,990 --> 01:04:30,240
about my own experience because i want

1745
01:04:36,470 --> 01:04:34,000
to know what i saw right uh but that

1746
01:04:37,990 --> 01:04:36,480
notwithstanding i think what you have

1747
01:04:39,349 --> 01:04:38,000
sorry

1748
01:04:42,390 --> 01:04:39,359
this

1749
01:04:44,309 --> 01:04:42,400
uh what she's doing first of all

1750
01:04:46,390 --> 01:04:44,319
at this table i want to take a poll

1751
01:04:48,390 --> 01:04:46,400
we're going to do this really quickly

1752
01:04:50,190 --> 01:04:48,400
do you believe that there are other

1753
01:04:52,710 --> 01:04:50,200
beings either

1754
01:04:55,829 --> 01:04:52,720
extraterrestrial or ultra-terrestrial

1755
01:04:59,109 --> 01:04:55,839
etc that have visited here yes or no

1756
01:05:00,430 --> 01:04:59,119
carlene yes of course nathan do you

1757
01:05:02,069 --> 01:05:00,440
believe that they're either

1758
01:05:05,349 --> 01:05:02,079
extraterrestrial and or

1759
01:05:07,430 --> 01:05:05,359
ultra-terrestrial that have visited here

1760
01:05:08,950 --> 01:05:07,440
i'm going to go with yes but a caveat

1761
01:05:11,670 --> 01:05:08,960
non-human intelligence i don't know what

1762
01:05:13,589 --> 01:05:11,680
that is okay whatever yes i don't

1763
01:05:16,069 --> 01:05:13,599
whatever we call it but some sort of

1764
01:05:19,029 --> 01:05:16,079
being has visited here yeah

1765
01:05:21,910 --> 01:05:19,039
okay so if we all agree with that then

1766
01:05:23,270 --> 01:05:21,920
that right there makes it not that

1767
01:05:25,990 --> 01:05:23,280
fantastic

1768
01:05:28,230 --> 01:05:26,000
that she says she saw one sure or saw a

1769
01:05:30,470 --> 01:05:28,240
group of them so it's plausible go ahead

1770
01:05:32,470 --> 01:05:30,480
i'm sorry what's in it for her that's my

1771
01:05:35,029 --> 01:05:32,480
question it's nothing people are so mad

1772
01:05:36,630 --> 01:05:35,039
at her or um just trying to discredit

1773
01:05:37,750 --> 01:05:36,640
her before they even let her try to

1774
01:05:39,589 --> 01:05:37,760
prove this

1775
01:05:41,430 --> 01:05:39,599
um you got to look at

1776
01:05:43,109 --> 01:05:41,440
follow the money what's in it for her

1777
01:05:45,190 --> 01:05:43,119
right by doing this i mean she could

1778
01:05:46,470 --> 01:05:45,200
ruin her reputation right she could

1779
01:05:48,390 --> 01:05:46,480
probably

1780
01:05:50,309 --> 01:05:48,400
she said i'm not getting hired again

1781
01:05:51,510 --> 01:05:50,319
right and i looked at that and that's

1782
01:05:54,309 --> 01:05:51,520
what i think you need to look at

1783
01:05:55,910 --> 01:05:54,319
people's motives um and circling back

1784
01:05:57,589 --> 01:05:55,920
almost to like what nathan was asking me

1785
01:05:59,510 --> 01:05:57,599
about you know people discerning

1786
01:06:01,270 --> 01:05:59,520
people's like intentions and stuff like

1787
01:06:03,990 --> 01:06:01,280
what is what's her intention what's her

1788
01:06:05,750 --> 01:06:04,000
motive what's in it for her if uh she

1789
01:06:07,589 --> 01:06:05,760
you know takes a film crew or whatever

1790
01:06:09,829 --> 01:06:07,599
down to the mojave desert and there's

1791
01:06:11,910 --> 01:06:09,839
nothing there she's gonna look like a

1792
01:06:14,870 --> 01:06:11,920
fool right so why would you do that to

1793
01:06:16,870 --> 01:06:14,880
yourself i don't think this woman is um

1794
01:06:19,430 --> 01:06:16,880
i think she's too intelligent i think

1795
01:06:21,430 --> 01:06:19,440
she's too um

1796
01:06:23,349 --> 01:06:21,440
coherent i think she knows what i think

1797
01:06:26,309 --> 01:06:23,359
she's aware that what she's doing is a

1798
01:06:28,470 --> 01:06:26,319
risk and she's being courageous i don't

1799
01:06:29,589 --> 01:06:28,480
i want her to be right i want this story

1800
01:06:31,430 --> 01:06:29,599
to be true

1801
01:06:33,510 --> 01:06:31,440
um and if it's not well then i guess we

1802
01:06:35,910 --> 01:06:33,520
move on to the next show right

1803
01:06:37,990 --> 01:06:35,920
i think she's anything but stupid

1804
01:06:41,029 --> 01:06:38,000
and i think

1805
01:06:43,990 --> 01:06:41,039
she she 100 believes this

1806
01:06:46,549 --> 01:06:44,000
and if it's not true she's concocted a

1807
01:06:48,069 --> 01:06:46,559
narrative that has several different

1808
01:06:49,829 --> 01:06:48,079
players in it

1809
01:06:50,870 --> 01:06:49,839
and

1810
01:06:52,710 --> 01:06:50,880
i mean

1811
01:06:54,390 --> 01:06:52,720
i'll tell you what somebody's probably

1812
01:06:55,990 --> 01:06:54,400
already figured out who wayne and trisha

1813
01:06:58,230 --> 01:06:56,000
are do you believe somebody has figured

1814
01:07:01,029 --> 01:06:58,240
out who they are nathan

1815
01:07:02,390 --> 01:07:01,039
i mean i'm sure people are trying um i

1816
01:07:03,829 --> 01:07:02,400
don't know if they have or not but i

1817
01:07:04,710 --> 01:07:03,839
mean because they could be made up names

1818
01:07:06,470 --> 01:07:04,720
but

1819
01:07:08,309 --> 01:07:06,480
that's true

1820
01:07:10,950 --> 01:07:08,319
you know oh are they really those aren't

1821
01:07:14,789 --> 01:07:10,960
their real names oh yeah what's up

1822
01:07:18,789 --> 01:07:14,799
carlene the investigator see natasha man

1823
01:07:22,710 --> 01:07:18,799
it's back to natasha man all roads

1824
01:07:25,430 --> 01:07:22,720
but but intelligence is not a

1825
01:07:26,390 --> 01:07:25,440
intelligence alone is not a

1826
01:07:30,950 --> 01:07:26,400
no

1827
01:07:33,430 --> 01:07:31,829
to

1828
01:07:35,349 --> 01:07:33,440
just because someone is smart doesn't

1829
01:07:37,910 --> 01:07:35,359
mean that they can't be prone to to

1830
01:07:39,670 --> 01:07:37,920
insanity and i'm not saying that that

1831
01:07:41,029 --> 01:07:39,680
she is i i want to make sure that that's

1832
01:07:42,549 --> 01:07:41,039
clear i'm not saying that she is i'm

1833
01:07:43,670 --> 01:07:42,559
just saying that

1834
01:07:45,829 --> 01:07:43,680
a lot of

1835
01:07:47,589 --> 01:07:45,839
famous people who've gone insane in

1836
01:07:49,029 --> 01:07:47,599
history have been a super super smart

1837
01:07:51,190 --> 01:07:49,039
people um

1838
01:07:53,349 --> 01:07:51,200
and they can seem very coherent but they

1839
01:07:54,710 --> 01:07:53,359
live in an alternate reality that they

1840
01:07:55,670 --> 01:07:54,720
have concocted

1841
01:07:57,190 --> 01:07:55,680
and so

1842
01:07:58,630 --> 01:07:57,200
you know could that be the case here

1843
01:08:01,109 --> 01:07:58,640
yeah absolutely you know and again

1844
01:08:03,510 --> 01:08:01,119
that's which is why i i'm i'm i'm on the

1845
01:08:05,589 --> 01:08:03,520
fence here i want to see where this goes

1846
01:08:07,589 --> 01:08:05,599
did you see her press conference i did

1847
01:08:09,270 --> 01:08:07,599
and uh and how did she seem in that how

1848
01:08:11,109 --> 01:08:09,280
did she did she seem crazy or did she

1849
01:08:14,150 --> 01:08:11,119
seem cool yeah i i don't think she

1850
01:08:17,030 --> 01:08:14,160
seemed crazy but i think our our

1851
01:08:18,229 --> 01:08:17,040
marker for crazy can be a little skewed

1852
01:08:19,910 --> 01:08:18,239
you know so

1853
01:08:22,630 --> 01:08:19,920
um you know like sometimes we think of

1854
01:08:24,630 --> 01:08:22,640
crazy as you know somebody with you know

1855
01:08:26,070 --> 01:08:24,640
wild hair and they're sort of uh you

1856
01:08:28,229 --> 01:08:26,080
know eating their own feces or something

1857
01:08:31,110 --> 01:08:28,239
but what was it what was your visceral

1858
01:08:35,349 --> 01:08:33,349
yeah my internal feeling is this that

1859
01:08:37,030 --> 01:08:35,359
she really believes what she is saying

1860
01:08:39,430 --> 01:08:37,040
and that's why this is compelling

1861
01:08:41,269 --> 01:08:39,440
because she seems authentic and that's

1862
01:08:43,349 --> 01:08:41,279
probably the word i was looking for

1863
01:08:46,070 --> 01:08:43,359
great yoga word right there

1864
01:08:47,990 --> 01:08:46,080
very authentic and so you know let's

1865
01:08:50,470 --> 01:08:48,000
let's see where it goes right i'm not

1866
01:08:51,990 --> 01:08:50,480
out there to kind of say hey you know

1867
01:08:53,430 --> 01:08:52,000
she shouldn't be doing this or she's

1868
01:08:54,789 --> 01:08:53,440
taking advantage of people i don't

1869
01:08:56,470 --> 01:08:54,799
believe that that to be true until i

1870
01:08:58,550 --> 01:08:56,480
know otherwise and she can't take

1871
01:09:00,229 --> 01:08:58,560
advantage of people well she's not

1872
01:09:01,749 --> 01:09:00,239
capable she's how

1873
01:09:04,470 --> 01:09:01,759
uh i mean there are lots of ways she

1874
01:09:06,950 --> 01:09:04,480
could at some point uh i mean right

1875
01:09:08,950 --> 01:09:06,960
okay up to now has she taken advantage

1876
01:09:10,470 --> 01:09:08,960
of anybody no and that's why i'm saying

1877
01:09:11,990 --> 01:09:10,480
i'm not coming down on her one way or

1878
01:09:14,149 --> 01:09:12,000
the other but she could she could she

1879
01:09:15,749 --> 01:09:14,159
could try to monetize this she could you

1880
01:09:17,910 --> 01:09:15,759
know there are things that that okay

1881
01:09:19,510 --> 01:09:17,920
that that's possible true but i'm saying

1882
01:09:21,430 --> 01:09:19,520
okay that's true then she could turn

1883
01:09:24,709 --> 01:09:21,440
into like what stephen greer did

1884
01:09:26,550 --> 01:09:24,719
whatever but to this point she hasn't

1885
01:09:28,550 --> 01:09:26,560
she hasn't done that she's just said i

1886
01:09:31,349 --> 01:09:28,560
saw this they want to connect with

1887
01:09:32,390 --> 01:09:31,359
humanity they're looking to uh what did

1888
01:09:34,709 --> 01:09:32,400
she say

1889
01:09:36,309 --> 01:09:34,719
they're looking to disclose themself

1890
01:09:37,430 --> 01:09:36,319
right okay

1891
01:09:39,749 --> 01:09:37,440
so

1892
01:09:42,229 --> 01:09:39,759
that if that bothers you if you're at

1893
01:09:43,910 --> 01:09:42,239
home and you're like some ufo twitter

1894
01:09:45,510 --> 01:09:43,920
guy and that makes you angry and you're

1895
01:09:48,709 --> 01:09:45,520
gonna start typing in your messages

1896
01:09:50,390 --> 01:09:48,719
you're an idiot you're a [\h__\h] yeah

1897
01:09:53,990 --> 01:09:50,400
you can choose the people who are

1898
01:09:56,310 --> 01:09:54,000
reactions yes yes just like tic tac is

1899
01:09:58,390 --> 01:09:56,320
definitely made by humans because i'm

1900
01:10:00,390 --> 01:09:58,400
scared if it's not right and that's what

1901
01:10:03,910 --> 01:10:00,400
a lot of people's reaction is but but

1902
01:10:05,910 --> 01:10:03,920
those who have come out against her are

1903
01:10:06,790 --> 01:10:05,920
i think are doing so

1904
01:10:09,030 --> 01:10:06,800
from a

1905
01:10:10,870 --> 01:10:09,040
a place of good intent i don't agree

1906
01:10:13,669 --> 01:10:10,880
with it but their intent is they're

1907
01:10:15,510 --> 01:10:13,679
trying to dissuade people from

1908
01:10:17,669 --> 01:10:15,520
following someone who they believe is a

1909
01:10:19,430 --> 01:10:17,679
fraud so it's coming from a place of

1910
01:10:21,189 --> 01:10:19,440
good intent again i don't agree with

1911
01:10:23,030 --> 01:10:21,199
with their with the way they've gone

1912
01:10:24,070 --> 01:10:23,040
about that

1913
01:10:25,990 --> 01:10:24,080
but

1914
01:10:28,630 --> 01:10:26,000
wait a minute hold on

1915
01:10:30,790 --> 01:10:28,640
yeah yes what you just said and this is

1916
01:10:34,229 --> 01:10:30,800
not jim jones

1917
01:10:38,550 --> 01:10:34,239
no this is not hey we're going to guyana

1918
01:10:41,990 --> 01:10:39,590
it is

1919
01:10:44,390 --> 01:10:42,000
there is nothing they're not protecting

1920
01:10:46,229 --> 01:10:44,400
anybody from anything you can choose to

1921
01:10:48,149 --> 01:10:46,239
believe or not believe

1922
01:10:50,310 --> 01:10:48,159
you don't have to harass her you're

1923
01:10:52,070 --> 01:10:50,320
you're a freaking [\h__\h] if you do that

1924
01:10:56,149 --> 01:10:52,080
yeah

1925
01:10:58,310 --> 01:10:56,159
point that she's putting herself out

1926
01:11:00,149 --> 01:10:58,320
there and there are a lot of people who

1927
01:11:02,390 --> 01:11:00,159
if she doesn't deliver

1928
01:11:05,669 --> 01:11:02,400
they will feel very let down and they

1929
01:11:08,070 --> 01:11:05,679
could wish her harm you know

1930
01:11:10,630 --> 01:11:08,080
what if i'm let that what if what if i

1931
01:11:12,390 --> 01:11:10,640
went out there and i what did i tell you

1932
01:11:13,590 --> 01:11:12,400
i was to do nathan

1933
01:11:15,590 --> 01:11:13,600
you're going to try to get on that on

1934
01:11:18,229 --> 01:11:15,600
that team man and if and what did i say

1935
01:11:21,350 --> 01:11:18,239
i would do if it wasn't true

1936
01:11:23,110 --> 01:11:21,360
uh i forget i said it'd be a nice hike

1937
01:11:25,750 --> 01:11:23,120
and come back and

1938
01:11:27,990 --> 01:11:25,760
go see my yoga friends and my jiu jitsu

1939
01:11:30,310 --> 01:11:28,000
friends and have a beer and eat at

1940
01:11:32,550 --> 01:11:30,320
alibaba's or something i don't know

1941
01:11:33,669 --> 01:11:32,560
it's not that i mean if if you're

1942
01:11:35,990 --> 01:11:33,679
investing

1943
01:11:37,189 --> 01:11:36,000
more than that you're an idiot you have

1944
01:11:38,070 --> 01:11:37,199
a problem

1945
01:11:43,590 --> 01:11:38,080
not

1946
01:11:45,590 --> 01:11:43,600
oh she ruined my life

1947
01:11:46,709 --> 01:11:45,600
right no i understand that but at the

1948
01:11:48,630 --> 01:11:46,719
same time

1949
01:11:50,550 --> 01:11:48,640
what i'm trying to say is that

1950
01:11:53,430 --> 01:11:50,560
there are those that feel a sense of

1951
01:11:55,430 --> 01:11:53,440
responsibility to others who maybe they

1952
01:11:57,030 --> 01:11:55,440
have seen taken advantage of in their

1953
01:11:58,709 --> 01:11:57,040
own life and they want to prevent those

1954
01:12:00,229 --> 01:11:58,719
people from being taken advantage of and

1955
01:12:03,030 --> 01:12:00,239
this is their way about going about it

1956
01:12:05,990 --> 01:12:03,040
again i disagree with the methodology i

1957
01:12:07,669 --> 01:12:06,000
i wouldn't i don't condone that behavior

1958
01:12:10,390 --> 01:12:07,679
but this is the place in which those

1959
01:12:11,990 --> 01:12:10,400
people are coming from uh i i don't

1960
01:12:13,510 --> 01:12:12,000
agree with it but i you know understand

1961
01:12:15,750 --> 01:12:13,520
why they are trying to come out against

1962
01:12:17,270 --> 01:12:15,760
her because in their minds they think

1963
01:12:19,590 --> 01:12:17,280
that she is

1964
01:12:22,310 --> 01:12:19,600
uh potentially dangerous to people who

1965
01:12:24,310 --> 01:12:22,320
might be you know sucked in you know

1966
01:12:26,630 --> 01:12:24,320
what they say about haters you know what

1967
01:12:29,270 --> 01:12:26,640
i mean it's that they hate

1968
01:12:31,030 --> 01:12:29,280
that they see something in you they wish

1969
01:12:33,350 --> 01:12:31,040
they had within themselves there's

1970
01:12:35,110 --> 01:12:33,360
absolutely no reason to come out against

1971
01:12:36,790 --> 01:12:35,120
her you could just simply say i don't

1972
01:12:39,350 --> 01:12:36,800
believe her and that's it

1973
01:12:42,149 --> 01:12:39,360
you don't have to hur if you harass her

1974
01:12:44,790 --> 01:12:42,159
the problem is with you right now you're

1975
01:12:47,110 --> 01:12:44,800
not protecting anybody the problems with

1976
01:12:49,110 --> 01:12:47,120
you who hasn't been okay who on this

1977
01:12:50,470 --> 01:12:49,120
panel hasn't been taken advantage of if

1978
01:12:52,390 --> 01:12:50,480
you've been taken advantage of raise

1979
01:12:53,270 --> 01:12:52,400
your hand nathan i'll just take your

1980
01:12:55,590 --> 01:12:53,280
work

1981
01:12:57,990 --> 01:12:55,600
raise the marble okay

1982
01:13:00,310 --> 01:12:58,000
everybody's been taken advantage of

1983
01:13:02,790 --> 01:13:00,320
don't make excuses for them for that

1984
01:13:04,550 --> 01:13:02,800
[\h__\h] behavior that is

1985
01:13:06,950 --> 01:13:04,560
i don't know i'm not going to use a like

1986
01:13:08,950 --> 01:13:06,960
a curse word that's bs that's bs

1987
01:13:11,030 --> 01:13:08,960
behavior you could just say i don't

1988
01:13:12,310 --> 01:13:11,040
believe her i don't put any stock in it

1989
01:13:14,149 --> 01:13:12,320
and move on

1990
01:13:15,750 --> 01:13:14,159
which is what i would do if i even

1991
01:13:17,669 --> 01:13:15,760
bought a ticket to california and went

1992
01:13:20,470 --> 01:13:17,679
there right i'm not going to sit there

1993
01:13:22,310 --> 01:13:20,480
and go angela it's your fault

1994
01:13:24,550 --> 01:13:22,320
i've been taken advantage of in my life

1995
01:13:26,229 --> 01:13:24,560
thinking it's taking some autonomy over

1996
01:13:28,470 --> 01:13:26,239
your own reaction yes i think that's

1997
01:13:30,070 --> 01:13:28,480
what you yeah honestly that's an agency

1998
01:13:31,830 --> 01:13:30,080
a lot of people need to be doing right

1999
01:13:33,990 --> 01:13:31,840
now is taking autonomy over their own

2000
01:13:36,149 --> 01:13:34,000
anger in their own actions thank you

2001
01:13:38,870 --> 01:13:36,159
thank you there is no reason and there

2002
01:13:41,030 --> 01:13:38,880
is no excuse if there if you have that

2003
01:13:41,990 --> 01:13:41,040
in your mind that you're protecting the

2004
01:13:43,990 --> 01:13:42,000
public

2005
01:13:45,270 --> 01:13:44,000
by cursing out this woman on twitter

2006
01:13:46,950 --> 01:13:45,280
you're [\h__\h]

2007
01:13:49,110 --> 01:13:46,960
and don't watch the show anymore well

2008
01:13:50,870 --> 01:13:49,120
you know it's eight billion humans not

2009
01:13:52,630 --> 01:13:50,880
everyone can be as smart as you dj you

2010
01:13:54,709 --> 01:13:52,640
know

2011
01:13:56,149 --> 01:13:54,719
it's very in fact in fact both people on

2012
01:13:58,550 --> 01:13:56,159
this panel are smarter than me but

2013
01:14:01,110 --> 01:13:58,560
that's that's that's beside the point no

2014
01:14:04,229 --> 01:14:01,120
it's it's the new you know then you know

2015
01:14:05,590 --> 01:14:04,239
nathan will tell you that i'm very jokey

2016
01:14:08,630 --> 01:14:05,600
i'm very

2017
01:14:11,110 --> 01:14:08,640
uh i i like to just kind of be fun and

2018
01:14:14,149 --> 01:14:11,120
and just you know humorous and so forth

2019
01:14:16,870 --> 01:14:14,159
but when the new york will come at me

2020
01:14:18,390 --> 01:14:16,880
like with the uh nathan's heard me we

2021
01:14:20,630 --> 01:14:18,400
spent like probably an hour and a half

2022
01:14:23,510 --> 01:14:20,640
the other night talking about the tic

2023
01:14:25,189 --> 01:14:23,520
tac and when somebody says oh the navy

2024
01:14:26,790 --> 01:14:25,199
guys don't know what they're doing with

2025
01:14:28,790 --> 01:14:26,800
flying these airplanes and they made

2026
01:14:30,950 --> 01:14:28,800
mistakes when people when i hear that

2027
01:14:33,030 --> 01:14:30,960
the new york comes at me and i say you

2028
01:14:35,990 --> 01:14:33,040
know you're full crap just like they'll

2029
01:14:37,430 --> 01:14:36,000
say oh i i'm attacking anjali online

2030
01:14:39,430 --> 01:14:37,440
because i'm protecting the public i'm

2031
01:14:41,910 --> 01:14:39,440
going to say you're full crap i'm not

2032
01:14:44,390 --> 01:14:41,920
going to try to whitewash it and sugar

2033
01:14:46,709 --> 01:14:44,400
coat it and be super analytical and make

2034
01:14:48,630 --> 01:14:46,719
my professors that in this snh you proud

2035
01:14:50,550 --> 01:14:48,640
of me i'm going to just say you're full

2036
01:14:52,149 --> 01:14:50,560
of it simple exactly this is why we're a

2037
01:14:54,630 --> 01:14:52,159
good team because we we come at this

2038
01:14:56,229 --> 01:14:54,640
from completely different yes that's why

2039
01:14:57,430 --> 01:14:56,239
i love nathan because he's smarter than

2040
01:14:59,910 --> 01:14:57,440
me i'll get i'll get a little

2041
01:15:02,310 --> 01:14:59,920
astrological here you know i'm a pisces

2042
01:15:03,910 --> 01:15:02,320
so i'm very me too you know

2043
01:15:05,350 --> 01:15:03,920
very much it brings some balance to the

2044
01:15:06,709 --> 01:15:05,360
world kind of person

2045
01:15:07,669 --> 01:15:06,719
um

2046
01:15:08,870 --> 01:15:07,679
yeah

2047
01:15:10,790 --> 01:15:08,880
maybe that's why we work together so

2048
01:15:12,630 --> 01:15:10,800
well um

2049
01:15:14,790 --> 01:15:12,640
so anyway i i you know it's a

2050
01:15:15,910 --> 01:15:14,800
fascinating story and it is um it's

2051
01:15:16,790 --> 01:15:15,920
something that

2052
01:15:18,310 --> 01:15:16,800
you know

2053
01:15:20,149 --> 01:15:18,320
i i very much hope it's true because i

2054
01:15:21,910 --> 01:15:20,159
think it'd be super cool i mean you know

2055
01:15:25,830 --> 01:15:21,920
it's gonna if if we're gonna get some

2056
01:15:27,350 --> 01:15:25,840
sort of disclosure from beings uh at all

2057
01:15:28,790 --> 01:15:27,360
it's gonna happen in a weird way i don't

2058
01:15:30,950 --> 01:15:28,800
think they're gonna do it in a way that

2059
01:15:32,310 --> 01:15:30,960
everybody thinks you know oh it should

2060
01:15:34,870 --> 01:15:32,320
happen like this i mean i think it's

2061
01:15:36,310 --> 01:15:34,880
gonna happen in a strange way and and

2062
01:15:38,950 --> 01:15:36,320
we'll have to deal with the with the

2063
01:15:41,669 --> 01:15:38,960
consequences of that um

2064
01:15:43,350 --> 01:15:41,679
but i guess to kind of

2065
01:15:46,229 --> 01:15:43,360
kind of conclude the show and get to the

2066
01:15:48,790 --> 01:15:46,239
end i mean i really want to um come back

2067
01:15:51,350 --> 01:15:48,800
to you carlene i want to i want to

2068
01:15:53,350 --> 01:15:51,360
get a sense from you on

2069
01:15:54,870 --> 01:15:53,360
you know you've gotten to the subject as

2070
01:15:57,990 --> 01:15:54,880
you said like you've you've kind of been

2071
01:15:59,110 --> 01:15:58,000
made more aware of uh the ufo stuff in

2072
01:16:00,070 --> 01:15:59,120
your journey

2073
01:16:02,149 --> 01:16:00,080
um

2074
01:16:05,350 --> 01:16:02,159
where do you sense it kind of going from

2075
01:16:07,030 --> 01:16:05,360
here and also how do you see

2076
01:16:09,510 --> 01:16:07,040
or encourage people

2077
01:16:11,830 --> 01:16:09,520
to kind of open themselves up to this

2078
01:16:14,229 --> 01:16:11,840
topic uh and just and be willing to

2079
01:16:15,189 --> 01:16:14,239
discuss it in a way that that a lot of

2080
01:16:16,390 --> 01:16:15,199
people aren't right a lot of people

2081
01:16:17,910 --> 01:16:16,400
aren't willing to talk about these kinds

2082
01:16:18,950 --> 01:16:17,920
of things in the public so what do you

2083
01:16:20,470 --> 01:16:18,960
see there

2084
01:16:21,990 --> 01:16:20,480
well there's eight billion humans eight

2085
01:16:22,950 --> 01:16:22,000
billion different realities happening

2086
01:16:26,709 --> 01:16:22,960
right now

2087
01:16:29,189 --> 01:16:26,719
totally um yeah so so i mean you can't

2088
01:16:31,030 --> 01:16:29,199
have a hundred percent you just can't of

2089
01:16:34,870 --> 01:16:31,040
of um acceptance or anything like that

2090
01:16:36,950 --> 01:16:34,880
or but i think i think that as they say

2091
01:16:39,510 --> 01:16:36,960
the truth is out there

2092
01:16:41,110 --> 01:16:39,520
and i think the truth always reveals

2093
01:16:42,149 --> 01:16:41,120
itself

2094
01:16:48,390 --> 01:16:42,159
i

2095
01:16:50,550 --> 01:16:48,400
you know

2096
01:16:52,709 --> 01:16:50,560
i think it is interesting the timing of

2097
01:16:55,990 --> 01:16:52,719
when they did release

2098
01:16:59,430 --> 01:16:56,000
the uh those videos of unidentified

2099
01:17:01,350 --> 01:16:59,440
aerial objects last summer during

2100
01:17:03,110 --> 01:17:01,360
you know controversial issues

2101
01:17:05,030 --> 01:17:03,120
um and i think

2102
01:17:07,110 --> 01:17:05,040
i have an another thought i had in this

2103
01:17:08,790 --> 01:17:07,120
kind of i had it right before you asked

2104
01:17:10,950 --> 01:17:08,800
the question nathan was

2105
01:17:12,870 --> 01:17:10,960
you know if she does do this or if this

2106
01:17:15,110 --> 01:17:12,880
there is disclosure

2107
01:17:16,950 --> 01:17:15,120
that does happen because i mean i do

2108
01:17:18,630 --> 01:17:16,960
follow some psychics on youtube every

2109
01:17:20,070 --> 01:17:18,640
once in a while but and they do talk

2110
01:17:21,750 --> 01:17:20,080
about disclosure

2111
01:17:23,350 --> 01:17:21,760
and they're always talking about

2112
01:17:25,830 --> 01:17:23,360
disclosure and like oh it's gonna happen

2113
01:17:27,430 --> 01:17:25,840
it's gonna happen it's gonna happen well

2114
01:17:30,070 --> 01:17:27,440
here's my question

2115
01:17:33,750 --> 01:17:30,080
how it happens isn't exactly important

2116
01:17:35,030 --> 01:17:33,760
or even when but more so how is the

2117
01:17:37,590 --> 01:17:35,040
world

2118
01:17:39,830 --> 01:17:37,600
the species of humans going to react to

2119
01:17:42,149 --> 01:17:39,840
it and are we ready to re are we ready

2120
01:17:44,870 --> 01:17:42,159
to receive that are we at that level

2121
01:17:46,630 --> 01:17:44,880
where we can receive that um the

2122
01:17:48,149 --> 01:17:46,640
reaction to

2123
01:17:50,470 --> 01:17:48,159
the cert you know world events in the

2124
01:17:52,790 --> 01:17:50,480
last 18 months um has been what it's

2125
01:17:54,470 --> 01:17:52,800
been very fear-based humans are still

2126
01:17:56,390 --> 01:17:54,480
living in a place and operating from a

2127
01:17:58,630 --> 01:17:56,400
place of fear a lot of us are

2128
01:18:00,709 --> 01:17:58,640
um so i worry that

2129
01:18:01,910 --> 01:18:00,719
that's my concern for the futures i

2130
01:18:03,590 --> 01:18:01,920
think people need to keep educating

2131
01:18:05,430 --> 01:18:03,600
themselves keep questioning things um

2132
01:18:07,189 --> 01:18:05,440
keep looking for the truth

2133
01:18:10,390 --> 01:18:07,199
and stay curious

2134
01:18:13,189 --> 01:18:10,400
um ask questions find stories um look

2135
01:18:15,110 --> 01:18:13,199
for evidence if you can but

2136
01:18:18,470 --> 01:18:15,120
as a whole as a collective of the

2137
01:18:22,149 --> 01:18:18,480
species homo sapiens on this planet

2138
01:18:24,790 --> 01:18:22,159
are we truly ready to handle disclosure

2139
01:18:27,110 --> 01:18:24,800
how's that going to go down and i'm very

2140
01:18:29,030 --> 01:18:27,120
it makes me slightly apprehensive

2141
01:18:30,550 --> 01:18:29,040
but excited

2142
01:18:32,229 --> 01:18:30,560
and so i don't know what your thoughts

2143
01:18:33,750 --> 01:18:32,239
are and i wanted to ask that so i know

2144
01:18:34,950 --> 01:18:33,760
you asked me a question and i kinda

2145
01:18:37,030 --> 01:18:34,960
answered this now i wanna throw this

2146
01:18:39,510 --> 01:18:37,040
back at you guys if disclosure did

2147
01:18:41,430 --> 01:18:39,520
happen let's just play out this fantasy

2148
01:18:42,950 --> 01:18:41,440
and whether it's anjali or who it isn't

2149
01:18:45,669 --> 01:18:42,960
it doesn't you know whatever let's say

2150
01:18:46,950 --> 01:18:45,679
it does happen before december 31st how

2151
01:18:49,030 --> 01:18:46,960
do you think humanity is going to

2152
01:18:50,630 --> 01:18:49,040
respond to that where they are based on

2153
01:18:52,149 --> 01:18:50,640
where we are right now

2154
01:18:55,270 --> 01:18:52,159
you know

2155
01:18:57,110 --> 01:18:55,280
well i'll i'll let nathan go first

2156
01:19:02,709 --> 01:18:57,120
okay nathan

2157
01:19:05,350 --> 01:19:02,719
uh i mean poorly um i think that um

2158
01:19:07,110 --> 01:19:05,360
we've got a ton of hurdles to overcome

2159
01:19:10,550 --> 01:19:07,120
as a global

2160
01:19:13,030 --> 01:19:10,560
culture uh to engage with

2161
01:19:15,669 --> 01:19:13,040
if there is in fact a broader kind of

2162
01:19:17,750 --> 01:19:15,679
galactic community which i think would

2163
01:19:19,510 --> 01:19:17,760
be really cool i mean i grew up i was a

2164
01:19:21,189 --> 01:19:19,520
you know star trek kid

2165
01:19:23,430 --> 01:19:21,199
you know star wars all these kinds of

2166
01:19:24,229 --> 01:19:23,440
stories that i grew up with as a child

2167
01:19:26,070 --> 01:19:24,239
and

2168
01:19:29,510 --> 01:19:26,080
you know that that's a very

2169
01:19:31,750 --> 01:19:29,520
exciting and inspiring uh sort of future

2170
01:19:32,630 --> 01:19:31,760
to to walk into

2171
01:19:36,390 --> 01:19:32,640
um

2172
01:19:39,430 --> 01:19:36,400
but i i fully recognize that

2173
01:19:42,470 --> 01:19:39,440
we have a ton of different perspectives

2174
01:19:44,950 --> 01:19:42,480
and motivations

2175
01:19:46,310 --> 01:19:44,960
and behaviors on on the earth

2176
01:19:48,630 --> 01:19:46,320
that would be

2177
01:19:50,709 --> 01:19:48,640
super challenging to

2178
01:19:53,270 --> 01:19:50,719
to kind of cooperate on

2179
01:19:54,390 --> 01:19:53,280
as we engage with with that broader

2180
01:19:56,790 --> 01:19:54,400
community

2181
01:19:59,030 --> 01:19:56,800
uh you know just just take one issue

2182
01:20:00,709 --> 01:19:59,040
like let's take technology you know if

2183
01:20:03,830 --> 01:20:00,719
they were to present themselves and

2184
01:20:06,229 --> 01:20:03,840
provide us with access to some degree of

2185
01:20:08,070 --> 01:20:06,239
advanced technology well who gets it

2186
01:20:10,709 --> 01:20:08,080
you know who get gets on the earth and

2187
01:20:12,310 --> 01:20:10,719
how is it used um how is it abused or

2188
01:20:15,350 --> 01:20:12,320
how could it be abused

2189
01:20:17,750 --> 01:20:15,360
uh if i were an advanced species and i i

2190
01:20:21,189 --> 01:20:17,760
were about to hand over some you know

2191
01:20:22,629 --> 01:20:21,199
amazing tech to to to humans i would

2192
01:20:23,590 --> 01:20:22,639
want to know before i handed that over

2193
01:20:25,590 --> 01:20:23,600
that they weren't going to blow

2194
01:20:27,350 --> 01:20:25,600
themselves up with it uh and and right

2195
01:20:29,110 --> 01:20:27,360
now i don't know that i could say that

2196
01:20:30,149 --> 01:20:29,120
i'd have any confidence that we wouldn't

2197
01:20:31,590 --> 01:20:30,159
do that

2198
01:20:33,270 --> 01:20:31,600
um so

2199
01:20:35,430 --> 01:20:33,280
you know while on it i'd be excited

2200
01:20:37,669 --> 01:20:35,440
about it um yeah exactly we're very much

2201
01:20:39,830 --> 01:20:37,679
children here

2202
01:20:41,910 --> 01:20:39,840
excited but very sort of a lot of

2203
01:20:43,270 --> 01:20:41,920
trepidation about that um

2204
01:20:45,189 --> 01:20:43,280
which which is tough because i you know

2205
01:20:48,629 --> 01:20:45,199
i really want it to happen i want that

2206
01:20:52,550 --> 01:20:50,310
what nathan said

2207
01:20:54,310 --> 01:20:52,560
yeah and back to you carly obviously no

2208
01:20:56,550 --> 01:20:54,320
i think we all kind of had a consensus

2209
01:20:58,149 --> 01:20:56,560
there go ahead no no i was going to say

2210
01:20:59,830 --> 01:20:58,159
you know i think we have three people on

2211
01:21:01,669 --> 01:20:59,840
this panel right here they really care

2212
01:21:03,430 --> 01:21:01,679
about the planet a lot and the

2213
01:21:04,550 --> 01:21:03,440
environment and so on and so forth and

2214
01:21:06,709 --> 01:21:04,560
it's very

2215
01:21:08,149 --> 01:21:06,719
troubling to see

2216
01:21:10,390 --> 01:21:08,159
uh how

2217
01:21:12,629 --> 01:21:10,400
people disregard it i'd say would be the

2218
01:21:15,990 --> 01:21:12,639
best word i could use that would cover

2219
01:21:16,870 --> 01:21:16,000
the most largest group of people yes um

2220
01:21:19,430 --> 01:21:16,880
so

2221
01:21:21,270 --> 01:21:19,440
but i i think there would be problems

2222
01:21:23,910 --> 01:21:21,280
with a lot of people

2223
01:21:26,470 --> 01:21:23,920
trying to assimilate that information my

2224
01:21:28,790 --> 01:21:26,480
boss and i uh my prior boss the guy who

2225
01:21:30,790 --> 01:21:28,800
got me this gig right now uh but he's

2226
01:21:33,669 --> 01:21:30,800
still a colleague at this point told me

2227
01:21:36,550 --> 01:21:33,679
and he's a deeply faithful catholic but

2228
01:21:37,990 --> 01:21:36,560
he also has a scientific mind about him

2229
01:21:40,470 --> 01:21:38,000
and he said that

2230
01:21:42,470 --> 01:21:40,480
he said he said i got news for you dj

2231
01:21:44,629 --> 01:21:42,480
he said there are religious people have

2232
01:21:46,950 --> 01:21:44,639
a problem with this and then

2233
01:21:48,390 --> 01:21:46,960
it came out uh you remembers nathan lou

2234
01:21:50,310 --> 01:21:48,400
elizondo said that people in the

2235
01:21:53,510 --> 01:21:50,320
pentagon said we already know what this

2236
01:21:55,510 --> 01:21:53,520
phenomenon is it's demons right so so

2237
01:21:57,750 --> 01:21:55,520
and i mean not to

2238
01:21:59,270 --> 01:21:57,760
uh at all to demonize people of faith

2239
01:22:01,430 --> 01:21:59,280
because i

2240
01:22:04,229 --> 01:22:01,440
regard and respect them just like i

2241
01:22:06,470 --> 01:22:04,239
respect my fellow uh yogis

2242
01:22:09,110 --> 01:22:06,480
uh and and other

2243
01:22:11,030 --> 01:22:09,120
groups i love everybody

2244
01:22:12,870 --> 01:22:11,040
uh but um

2245
01:22:14,149 --> 01:22:12,880
yeah it's going to be an issue for some

2246
01:22:17,350 --> 01:22:14,159
but that doesn't mean it shouldn't

2247
01:22:19,910 --> 01:22:17,360
happen um it should happen because

2248
01:22:23,430 --> 01:22:19,920
it's the truth and you don't

2249
01:22:25,350 --> 01:22:23,440
ever get anywhere by trying to

2250
01:22:27,990 --> 01:22:25,360
ignore the truth whether it's your own

2251
01:22:30,149 --> 01:22:28,000
personal truth about yourself

2252
01:22:33,189 --> 01:22:30,159
that you're trying to

2253
01:22:35,910 --> 01:22:33,199
hide or not acknowledge or someone else

2254
01:22:37,910 --> 01:22:35,920
not acknowledging the truth about you

2255
01:22:39,990 --> 01:22:37,920
you can just broaden that out to a

2256
01:22:41,750 --> 01:22:40,000
greater context and if there's something

2257
01:22:43,590 --> 01:22:41,760
out there we need to know what it is

2258
01:22:44,709 --> 01:22:43,600
it's obviously trying to get our

2259
01:22:46,870 --> 01:22:44,719
attention

2260
01:22:51,430 --> 01:22:46,880
um

2261
01:22:53,030 --> 01:22:51,440
you know the navy pilot that said we saw

2262
01:22:55,430 --> 01:22:53,040
him every day for a year so what does

2263
01:22:56,629 --> 01:22:55,440
that tell you if he says you have a navy

2264
01:22:58,790 --> 01:22:56,639
f-18

2265
01:23:01,110 --> 01:22:58,800
fighter pilot on the princeton so east

2266
01:23:04,070 --> 01:23:01,120
coast excuse me on the roosevelt east

2267
01:23:06,229 --> 01:23:04,080
coast based carrier group and he said he

2268
01:23:08,310 --> 01:23:06,239
saw him every day for a year what does

2269
01:23:10,550 --> 01:23:08,320
that tell you

2270
01:23:13,110 --> 01:23:10,560
it tells you they're not trying to hide

2271
01:23:15,030 --> 01:23:13,120
that they're here so i i think there is

2272
01:23:17,830 --> 01:23:15,040
a certain plausibility about what she

2273
01:23:20,790 --> 01:23:17,840
says it sounds extremely fantastic but i

2274
01:23:21,990 --> 01:23:20,800
want you to tell me i want you guys to

2275
01:23:22,950 --> 01:23:22,000
tell me

2276
01:23:25,110 --> 01:23:22,960
what

2277
01:23:28,790 --> 01:23:25,120
ufo encounter

2278
01:23:31,270 --> 01:23:28,800
could happen in in your life in today

2279
01:23:33,510 --> 01:23:31,280
your life today so it could be it could

2280
01:23:37,350 --> 01:23:33,520
happen this week but let's say your life

2281
01:23:38,629 --> 01:23:37,360
in 2021 i want you to tell me a ufo

2282
01:23:43,669 --> 01:23:38,639
encounter

2283
01:23:47,030 --> 01:23:43,679
something like

2284
01:23:49,110 --> 01:23:47,040
anjali tell me what that would look like

2285
01:23:50,310 --> 01:23:49,120
go first please carlene

2286
01:23:53,110 --> 01:23:50,320
i don't know if i understood the

2287
01:23:56,550 --> 01:23:53,120
question okay okay if you were to have

2288
01:23:58,310 --> 01:23:56,560
kant if if in if if an alien were to

2289
01:23:59,750 --> 01:23:58,320
let's say you're you're karleen

2290
01:24:02,390 --> 01:23:59,760
linksweiler right

2291
01:24:05,430 --> 01:24:02,400
okay in your life this week

2292
01:24:08,790 --> 01:24:05,440
you are going to make in-person physical

2293
01:24:10,790 --> 01:24:08,800
contact with an alien i want you to tell

2294
01:24:13,110 --> 01:24:10,800
me what would that look like

2295
01:24:16,310 --> 01:24:13,120
what would be concrete evidence to me or

2296
01:24:17,590 --> 01:24:16,320
no what would it how if it occurred like

2297
01:24:19,430 --> 01:24:17,600
just say

2298
01:24:22,790 --> 01:24:19,440
if it occurred how could you imagine it

2299
01:24:27,750 --> 01:24:25,430
like you're at the studio you're alone

2300
01:24:31,270 --> 01:24:27,760
you're rolling up mats no i feel like

2301
01:24:35,270 --> 01:24:31,280
i'd have a nighttime visitation

2302
01:24:39,510 --> 01:24:37,030
yeah i mean i you know i think it would

2303
01:24:41,910 --> 01:24:39,520
have to be reality shattering right

2304
01:24:43,510 --> 01:24:41,920
you know it would have to be

2305
01:24:48,149 --> 01:24:43,520
something that would break the routine

2306
01:24:51,830 --> 01:24:50,070
i i don't know

2307
01:24:53,590 --> 01:24:51,840
the point i'm trying to make to you is

2308
01:24:56,229 --> 01:24:53,600
there's no scenario that you could

2309
01:24:59,189 --> 01:24:56,239
imagine that would not sound almost

2310
01:25:01,430 --> 01:24:59,199
exactly like what happened to her it's

2311
01:25:03,110 --> 01:25:01,440
we have no and this goes back to what

2312
01:25:05,110 --> 01:25:03,120
lou elizondo said

2313
01:25:06,950 --> 01:25:05,120
now i'm gonna sound smart carlene this

2314
01:25:10,149 --> 01:25:06,960
is the part where i sound smart

2315
01:25:12,709 --> 01:25:10,159
we have no frame of reference other than

2316
01:25:16,470 --> 01:25:12,719
being human to imagine something like

2317
01:25:19,510 --> 01:25:16,480
this so if it's gonna happen and and

2318
01:25:21,350 --> 01:25:19,520
nobody we know has actually seen one in

2319
01:25:22,629 --> 01:25:21,360
the flesh where they could reach out and

2320
01:25:25,110 --> 01:25:22,639
touch one

2321
01:25:27,830 --> 01:25:25,120
and if that happens there's no way it

2322
01:25:29,510 --> 01:25:27,840
doesn't sound just like what happened

2323
01:25:33,110 --> 01:25:29,520
with uh

2324
01:25:37,510 --> 01:25:35,510
it's gonna be like i can't belie

2325
01:25:39,830 --> 01:25:37,520
like i can't believe it was that like i

2326
01:25:42,310 --> 01:25:39,840
just saw something like i just was in a

2327
01:25:44,470 --> 01:25:42,320
room with this thing right

2328
01:25:46,870 --> 01:25:44,480
there's no way it does it that's the

2329
01:25:50,229 --> 01:25:46,880
only way it's gonna sound is like this

2330
01:25:51,110 --> 01:25:50,239
sounds completely 100

2331
01:25:52,550 --> 01:25:51,120
fake

2332
01:25:54,550 --> 01:25:52,560
television

2333
01:25:57,110 --> 01:25:54,560
because we don't have we only have the

2334
01:25:59,030 --> 01:25:57,120
movies right and how

2335
01:26:01,110 --> 01:25:59,040
that's why the story alone isn't isn't

2336
01:26:02,550 --> 01:26:01,120
good enough you know right because

2337
01:26:05,189 --> 01:26:02,560
because you you know you've got you're

2338
01:26:07,189 --> 01:26:05,199
going to have to have some kind of

2339
01:26:09,990 --> 01:26:07,199
corroborating evidence multiple

2340
01:26:12,070 --> 01:26:10,000
witnesses you know video

2341
01:26:13,510 --> 01:26:12,080
photographic audio everything you could

2342
01:26:15,030 --> 01:26:13,520
possibly get

2343
01:26:15,750 --> 01:26:15,040
as a collection

2344
01:26:17,830 --> 01:26:15,760
to

2345
01:26:19,030 --> 01:26:17,840
corroborate the claim because if you

2346
01:26:21,110 --> 01:26:19,040
don't have any of that stuff it's just

2347
01:26:24,070 --> 01:26:21,120
words and that that's all we have right

2348
01:26:27,110 --> 01:26:24,080
now right i agree i'm i'm not i'm not

2349
01:26:29,669 --> 01:26:27,120
saying i'm in 100 agreement with you but

2350
01:26:31,590 --> 01:26:29,679
what i'm saying is is that it sounds so

2351
01:26:33,430 --> 01:26:31,600
nuts right what she's saying

2352
01:26:35,189 --> 01:26:33,440
we walked into the cave and in through

2353
01:26:37,510 --> 01:26:35,199
the mountain and it just sounds like

2354
01:26:39,830 --> 01:26:37,520
land of the loss type stuff right we're

2355
01:26:42,229 --> 01:26:39,840
ready for chaka and the sleaze stacks to

2356
01:26:43,669 --> 01:26:42,239
come running out and and and right now

2357
01:26:47,910 --> 01:26:43,679
carla's going what the hell is that but

2358
01:26:51,830 --> 01:26:49,910
but i mean there's a lot of questions

2359
01:26:53,430 --> 01:26:51,840
for sure there's a lot of questions and

2360
01:26:56,470 --> 01:26:53,440
there's a lot of like you could you

2361
01:26:59,270 --> 01:26:56,480
could argue this story and and

2362
01:27:01,189 --> 01:26:59,280
it's very it's it's very weak without

2363
01:27:03,590 --> 01:27:01,199
evidence and so

2364
01:27:04,790 --> 01:27:03,600
i say we wait you gotta wait till she

2365
01:27:07,189 --> 01:27:04,800
goes out there

2366
01:27:08,550 --> 01:27:07,199
we don't have a choice

2367
01:27:10,709 --> 01:27:08,560
i'm gonna wait and see i'm not gonna

2368
01:27:12,790 --> 01:27:10,719
call it any because predicting

2369
01:27:14,870 --> 01:27:12,800
at this point you can predict but let's

2370
01:27:16,390 --> 01:27:14,880
just see what she's got she came out she

2371
01:27:18,390 --> 01:27:16,400
said she's got evidence let's wait for

2372
01:27:20,229 --> 01:27:18,400
it let's see the evidence then so i

2373
01:27:21,669 --> 01:27:20,239
won't ask you how the story ends then

2374
01:27:24,390 --> 01:27:21,679
because i think you've just said that

2375
01:27:26,870 --> 01:27:24,400
you don't want to try to predict

2376
01:27:30,830 --> 01:27:26,880
i find when people predict

2377
01:27:35,910 --> 01:27:33,510
it in vegas

2378
01:27:38,149 --> 01:27:35,920
right so i find that predictions can be

2379
01:27:40,070 --> 01:27:38,159
silly so it's just let's just see i mean

2380
01:27:41,990 --> 01:27:40,080
she came out she's been vocal she's

2381
01:27:43,750 --> 01:27:42,000
getting the word out okay lady let's see

2382
01:27:44,950 --> 01:27:43,760
it you know okay you didn't take a video

2383
01:27:46,950 --> 01:27:44,960
to make a picture but you had your

2384
01:27:48,709 --> 01:27:46,960
camera on the whole time let's see it

2385
01:27:50,709 --> 01:27:48,719
right last word to nathan what do you

2386
01:27:53,590 --> 01:27:50,719
got brother ha do you want to make a

2387
01:27:55,189 --> 01:27:53,600
prediction how the story ends or you

2388
01:27:58,390 --> 01:27:55,199
i don't want to frame it any further

2389
01:28:00,390 --> 01:27:58,400
than that no i want to say this that um

2390
01:28:02,870 --> 01:28:00,400
you know be in the present moment

2391
01:28:05,510 --> 01:28:02,880
and this is true for

2392
01:28:07,910 --> 01:28:05,520
you know a yoga practice yeah

2393
01:28:10,470 --> 01:28:07,920
uh it's true for any relationship it's

2394
01:28:12,390 --> 01:28:10,480
true for everything that we do

2395
01:28:13,669 --> 01:28:12,400
you know we're at our best when we're

2396
01:28:15,350 --> 01:28:13,679
present

2397
01:28:16,629 --> 01:28:15,360
and

2398
01:28:19,110 --> 01:28:16,639
when we

2399
01:28:21,750 --> 01:28:19,120
try to fast forward into the future or

2400
01:28:25,189 --> 01:28:21,760
rewind into the past

2401
01:28:29,750 --> 01:28:27,830
i think chasing a fantasy

2402
01:28:31,830 --> 01:28:29,760
that doesn't exist and or doesn't exist

2403
01:28:33,990 --> 01:28:31,840
anymore

2404
01:28:35,750 --> 01:28:34,000
and so in this instance

2405
01:28:38,149 --> 01:28:35,760
i think we need to be

2406
01:28:41,510 --> 01:28:38,159
present to what she's saying present to

2407
01:28:44,070 --> 01:28:41,520
one another be charitable

2408
01:28:45,830 --> 01:28:44,080
uh be open-minded and let's see where

2409
01:28:46,950 --> 01:28:45,840
the journey takes us

2410
01:28:47,910 --> 01:28:46,960
um

2411
01:28:57,590 --> 01:28:47,920
and

2412
01:28:59,830 --> 01:28:57,600
there's a lot more that i'd love to talk

2413
01:29:01,350 --> 01:28:59,840
to you about too um which is great so we

2414
01:29:03,030 --> 01:29:01,360
can have you on again in the future if

2415
01:29:04,870 --> 01:29:03,040
you're if you're open to that yeah that

2416
01:29:07,350 --> 01:29:04,880
would be super fun i hope i have another

2417
01:29:09,830 --> 01:29:07,360
experience between between now and then

2418
01:29:11,350 --> 01:29:09,840
yeah absolutely yeah and we'll uh if you

2419
01:29:12,950 --> 01:29:11,360
don't don't mind maybe we'll get that

2420
01:29:14,870 --> 01:29:12,960
image and we might be able to share it

2421
01:29:17,189 --> 01:29:14,880
with uh with the audience yeah if uh

2422
01:29:19,430 --> 01:29:17,199
dj's got it yeah definitely yeah i

2423
01:29:20,310 --> 01:29:19,440
shared it with uh with nathan so he

2424
01:29:22,470 --> 01:29:20,320
should

2425
01:29:24,470 --> 01:29:22,480
find it in his email because he's he's

2426
01:29:27,270 --> 01:29:24,480
got control of the stream

2427
01:29:29,270 --> 01:29:27,280
so i am now out of control

2428
01:29:31,750 --> 01:29:29,280
that's right and if any listeners have

2429
01:29:33,910 --> 01:29:31,760
ever um seen something like that i want

2430
01:29:36,149 --> 01:29:33,920
to hear i want to hear about it

2431
01:29:39,110 --> 01:29:36,159
please yeah please chime in and let us

2432
01:29:41,590 --> 01:29:39,120
know about that you can find actually

2433
01:29:43,990 --> 01:29:41,600
yeah let us uh let us dive into that i

2434
01:29:45,430 --> 01:29:44,000
actually have a a

2435
01:29:47,750 --> 01:29:45,440
kind of a sad announcement i'm going to

2436
01:29:49,910 --> 01:29:47,760
make but before i do that i want to

2437
01:29:52,070 --> 01:29:49,920
give carlene a chance to tell people

2438
01:29:55,430 --> 01:29:52,080
about where they can find her in her

2439
01:29:57,270 --> 01:29:55,440
work okay so it's um roots wings

2440
01:30:01,510 --> 01:29:57,280
hypnosis.com

2441
01:30:03,350 --> 01:30:01,520
you can contact me there and all my

2442
01:30:05,350 --> 01:30:03,360
social media links are in the top right

2443
01:30:06,470 --> 01:30:05,360
hand corner of of every page on that

2444
01:30:08,470 --> 01:30:06,480
website so you can go through my

2445
01:30:11,830 --> 01:30:08,480
instagram roots underscore wings

2446
01:30:14,070 --> 01:30:11,840
underscore sage i am on youtube um best

2447
01:30:16,310 --> 01:30:14,080
if you just hit the youtube link on my

2448
01:30:19,350 --> 01:30:16,320
website because it'll take you to

2449
01:30:21,270 --> 01:30:19,360
dozens of um audio sessions thank you

2450
01:30:23,750 --> 01:30:21,280
dozens of audio sessions of clients

2451
01:30:24,870 --> 01:30:23,760
having regressions past life

2452
01:30:27,990 --> 01:30:24,880
uh

2453
01:30:30,070 --> 01:30:28,000
future life and actually going into um

2454
01:30:31,270 --> 01:30:30,080
and current life stuff seeing uh

2455
01:30:32,830 --> 01:30:31,280
experiences

2456
01:30:35,350 --> 01:30:32,840
from youtube

2457
01:30:38,870 --> 01:30:35,360
visitations and we need you on ufo

2458
01:30:42,149 --> 01:30:40,550
i don't have twitter i don't want to get

2459
01:30:44,709 --> 01:30:42,159
on twitter i'm scared

2460
01:30:45,910 --> 01:30:44,719
it's beautiful ufo twitter's always

2461
01:30:46,830 --> 01:30:45,920
smart

2462
01:30:53,030 --> 01:30:46,840
so

2463
01:30:54,790 --> 01:30:53,040
fun

2464
01:30:56,390 --> 01:30:54,800
um i know

2465
01:30:58,790 --> 01:30:56,400
uh you're welcome i know we'll talk to

2466
01:31:01,189 --> 01:30:58,800
you again nathan you're amazing i'm so

2467
01:31:03,830 --> 01:31:01,199
happy to have you as a co-host and

2468
01:31:06,550 --> 01:31:03,840
and um every time you speak it's just

2469
01:31:08,070 --> 01:31:06,560
like i just stop and i just stare at the

2470
01:31:10,149 --> 01:31:08,080
wall and listen

2471
01:31:11,750 --> 01:31:10,159
and it's you're just you're amazing so

2472
01:31:13,270 --> 01:31:11,760
thank you one last thing i want to say

2473
01:31:19,350 --> 01:31:13,280
if you had me on again you should

2474
01:31:23,030 --> 01:31:21,110
all right so that we were looking for an

2475
01:31:25,189 --> 01:31:23,040
avenue to bring in natasha for an

2476
01:31:27,270 --> 01:31:25,199
episode i think we just found one nathan

2477
01:31:29,350 --> 01:31:27,280
yeah she's we'll talk to her she's

2478
01:31:34,149 --> 01:31:29,360
willing to chat about her particular um

2479
01:31:38,550 --> 01:31:36,709
let's be great man natasha dominguez i

2480
01:31:40,310 --> 01:31:38,560
know you're watching this i assume you

2481
01:31:41,350 --> 01:31:40,320
tweeted her the link right or you sent

2482
01:31:44,229 --> 01:31:41,360
her the link

2483
01:31:45,350 --> 01:31:44,239
i haven't but i will or you can okay

2484
01:31:47,750 --> 01:31:45,360
natasha

2485
01:31:50,070 --> 01:31:47,760
girl come on next time with carlene

2486
01:31:51,350 --> 01:31:50,080
we're gonna break it down um

2487
01:31:53,110 --> 01:31:51,360
right now i have a little bit of a

2488
01:31:56,470 --> 01:31:53,120
somber note nathan's helped us out for

2489
01:31:59,669 --> 01:31:56,480
me i found out uh tonight uh post

2490
01:32:02,550 --> 01:31:59,679
teaching yoga i was checking in with uh

2491
01:32:04,310 --> 01:32:02,560
ironically checking in with my college

2492
01:32:08,470 --> 01:32:04,320
uh teammates

2493
01:32:10,149 --> 01:32:08,480
from dean football 1985 86 football team

2494
01:32:11,430 --> 01:32:10,159
and we're having a reunion this month so

2495
01:32:12,709 --> 01:32:11,440
i was like hey guys you know what's

2496
01:32:15,510 --> 01:32:12,719
going on

2497
01:32:17,590 --> 01:32:15,520
and um i was checking in with one guy

2498
01:32:19,189 --> 01:32:17,600
and then when i finished yoga class and

2499
01:32:22,629 --> 01:32:19,199
i looked at my phone

2500
01:32:23,990 --> 01:32:22,639
there was a message that one of them

2501
01:32:26,629 --> 01:32:24,000
died today

2502
01:32:28,870 --> 01:32:26,639
so and he was part of our 10-person chat

2503
01:32:30,229 --> 01:32:28,880
that's going going to reunite on the

2504
01:32:32,870 --> 01:32:30,239
24th so

2505
01:32:34,629 --> 01:32:32,880
uh please uh r.i.p

2506
01:32:37,990 --> 01:32:34,639
dean football's number nine the

2507
01:32:38,950 --> 01:32:38,000
all-american from 1986 mark hanson

2508
01:32:43,590 --> 01:32:38,960
um

2509
01:32:45,990 --> 01:32:43,600
you won't be forgotten you're uh an

2510
01:32:48,950 --> 01:32:46,000
inspiration to scrub like me

2511
01:32:50,070 --> 01:32:48,960
so uh thank you very much and uh for

2512
01:32:52,550 --> 01:32:50,080
carlene

2513
01:32:54,950 --> 01:32:52,560
nathan this is dj

2514
01:32:56,070 --> 01:32:54,960
for calling all beings saying peace out